========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1991 09:09:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: AL CARDINALE Subject: Postmodern feminism article I hve just received the latest issue of COLLEGE ENGLISH, Volume 53, Number 8, and there is an article by Teresa Ebert called "The 'Difference' of Postmodern Feminism." I thought I would post this for all interested parties. I am also hoping that some of you would engage me in conversation about the article and our need to create an egalitarian environment. Also, does anyone have any data on returning adult learners. Specifically, marginalized women...causes and cures. I work part-time in an EOP program, and most of thestudents I help are adult women. These students are highly motivated, but they arrive on the scene with a variety of self-esteem problems that disables learning. I am sad to say that the behavior (generally) seems to have been instilled by constrictive male figures or male dominated environments. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance. Al Cardinale ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1991 09:14:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: AL CARDINALE Subject: Re: sorry! I forgot to enter my bitnet address.......sorry for taking valuable space with this message. Al Cardinale ACARDINA@SNYESCVA ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1991 18:47:27 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Resent-From: Allan Hunter Comments: Originally-From: "robbin stewart" From: Allan Hunter Subject: scum I've been asked to forward any replies I received re: Valerie Solanas. I've received no replies. To repeat -- has anyone heard anything from, or about, Valerie Solanas since the early 70's? Inquiring minds wanna know... -- allan hunter ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- hi! a close friend of mine has been wondering for years whatever happened to valerie solonis; if you find out could you drop me a note? (i don't usuall y read the wmstds list so might miss a reply) Thanks! - robbin ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1991 20:02:36 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Allan Hunter Subject: Valerie Solanas Recently, I asked if anyone had heard anything from, or about, Valerie Solanas, who at the age of 24 in 1970 or thereabouts wrote the SCUM Manifesto. I've been asked to pass along any replies to others inter- ested in the same. I've received no replies. Once again: anyone know what happened with her since those days? -- Allan Hunter ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1991 21:17:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Six job openings I have received word of the following six job openings. For more information, please contact the people named in the announcements, not WMST-L or me. Joan Korenman (korenman@umbc or @umbc2.umbc.edu) ************************************************************ 1) The Women's Studies Program at California State University, Fresno, invites applicants for a tenure-track position as coordinator and assistant/associate/ or professor of Women's Studies. Successful candidates will be expected to have had academic leadership experience and experience in teaching general education women's studies courses or related courses in other disciplines. They should also have demonstrated an ability to relate to an ethnically diverse student population. Placement on the salary is dependent on professional experience. Correspondence, applications, and confidential papers should be sent to: Lillian Faderman, Acting Coordinator, Women's Studies Program, California State University, Fresno, CA 93740. To ensure full consideration, applicants are encouraged to have all information on file by December 16, 1991. ************************************************************* 2) University of Michigan - Flint. Search reopened. The department of Sociology seeks applications and nominations for a tenure-track Assistant Professor position. The ideal candidate would be able to teach Sociology of the Family, Gender and Society, and Introductory Sociology on a regular basis. In addition they would be expected to contribute to an interdisciplinary Women and Gender Studies program. Interest and experience in qualitative research is desirable. We would especially be interested in someone whose major research focus is the links among class, race, and gender. Secondary interests in Lesbian and Gay Male Studies, Social Policy, Social Change, and/or Education would be helpful. Normal teaching load is three courses per semester. There is also an opportunity for graduate level teaching in the MLS in American Culture program. Applicants must demonstrate both a dedication to quality teaching and a strong commitment to scholarly research. College teaching experience is desirable. Send letter expressing interest and indicating future research plans, curriculum vitae, and three letters of reference to: George Lord, Chair, Search Committee, Department of Sociology, University of Michigan - Flint, Flint, MI 48502-2186. Review of applications will begin December 15, 1991. Ph.D. required by September 1992. Minorities, women, and physically challenged persons are especially encouraged to apply. UM-Flint is an affirmative action/equal opportunity employer. ********************************************************* 3) University of Iowa Libraries, Curator of the Iowa Women's Archives. Salary: $29,400-$40,000. Requirements: A graduate library degree from an ALA-accredited program, appropriate archival training, or the equivalent; prior archival experience in an academic or research institution; knowledge of women's history; demonstrated administrative and leadership abilities; excellent oral and written communication skills; and demonstrated commitment to professional involvement. The candidate must be willing to travel, especially within the state. Graduate study or a graduate degree in an appropriate field; knowledge of bibliographic description and control; familiarity with the US-MARC AMC format are desired. Description: New position whose primary responsibilities will be to collect, organize, describe, manage, and preserve personal papers and organizational records pertaining to Iowa women. The Curator will have the initial responsibility of formulating a collection development policy, and ongoing responsibility for planning for the processing and preservation of collections, and the development and provision of reference, research, and instructional services. The Iowa Women's Archives will be located in a separate facility within the Main Library and the Curator will report to the Head, Department of Special Collections. The Curator will have the support of one support staff and student assistants. The Curator will be expected to devote considerable effort to identifying and soliciting donations of materials for the archives and to publicizing its collections and programs. Contact: Barbara I. Dewey, Director, Administrative and Access Service, University of Iowa Library, Iowa City, IA 52242. Tel: (319) 335-5871. ************************************************************ 4) The Department of English at the University of Maryland at College Park invites applications for an Assistant Professorship in either the 19th century British novel or Prose by American Women, 1865-1945. For additional information, please contact: Search Committee Chair, Department of English, University of Maryland, College Park, Maryland 20742. The University of Maryland at College Park has a strong commitment to the principle of diversity. We are particularly interested in receiving applications from a broad spectrum of people, including women, members of ethnic minorities, and disabled individuals. ************************************************************** 5) The Women's Resources and Research Center and the Women's Studies Program at the University of California, Davis, are seeking applications for a 1992-93 Scholar-in-Residence. This year's topic is the social construction, organization, and cultural reproduction of sexualities. Research areas may include, but are not limited to, such topics as shifting constructions of masculinity and femininity, the regulation of sexualities and movements for sexual liberation, and struggles around sexual politics (e.g., reproductive rights and AIDS activism). The appointment carries a stipend based on the applicant's qualifications, previous experience, and time in residence at UCD. The term of residence may range from several weeks to a full quarter. No regular teaching is required but it might be arranged (given ample lead time and budgetary constraints) with the appropriate academic department for additional compensation. Scholars-in-Residence will be expected to do one or more of the following: give a public lecture, offer colloquia, and/or participate in a faculty research seminar series. The position offers the applicant an opportunity to conduct her or his own research and to contribute to the activities of the Women's Studies and the Women's Resources and Research Center community. Candidates in any field may apply. Women and men of color are especially encouraged to apply. Applicants should send their curriculum vitae, samples of their recent publications, two letters of reference, and statements about their current research and teaching interests, and their proposed work as a Scholar-in-Residence. The application deadline in February 17, 1992. Send applications to: Dr. Linda A. Morris, Director, Women's Resources and Research Center, University of California, Davis, CA 95616. AA/EOE ********************************************************** 6) [reprinted from HUMANIST] The Univ. of Winniepg, Dept. of Religious STudies, seeks a scholar whose teaching and research interests address gender-nuanced theoretical and interpretive issues in the cross-cultural study of religion. Specialization in a non-western culture is preferred, esp. East Asian/South Asian/Islamic traditions. The position (subject to budgetary approval) is tenure-track and will probably be filled at the Assist. Prof level Apps. at the Assoc. rank will, however, be considered. The starting date is Sept. 1, 1992 or a mutually agreed-upon date. Primary teaching responsibilities are at the undergraduate level with opportunities for occasional teaching and thesis supervision at the M.A. level. Candidates with a completed Ph.D. who can demonstrate both excellence in teaching and a commitment to research are preferred, though ABDs will be considered. The Univ. of Winnipeg is a small liberal arts and sciences univ. located in the ethnically diverse core of the city. The Dept. of Religious Studies operates internally on the principles of collegiality and cooperative decision-making, and offers both the advantages and disadvantages typical of a small dept. The application deadline is Feb. 28, 1992, though earlier application is strongly encouraged. Apps. should include a covering letter, curriculum vitae, 3 letters of reference, student evaluations of teaching (if possible) and one sample of the applicant's written work, and should be addressed to: Prof. Peggy Day, Chair, Search Committee, Dept. of Religious STudies, Univ. of Winnipeg, 515 Portage Ave., Winnipeg, Manitoba, R3B 2E9, Canada. ...................................................................... This notice courtesy of Larry Hurtado, Dept. of Religion, Univ. of Manitoba, Winnipeg. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1991 11:28:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: RE: WOMEN'S STUDIES CURRICULUM On Nov. 25, Barb Marshall (BMARSHALL@TRENTU.CA) wrote: > WE ARE A SMALL BUT GROWING WOMEN'S STUDIES PROGRAM AT A SMALL CANADIAN > UNIVERSITY. CURRENTLY WE HAVE 3 CORE, REQUIRED COURSES -- AN INTRODUCTORY > COURSE AT THE 2ND YEAR LEVEL (WS200), A THIRD-YEAR COURSE IN FEMINIST > THEORY (WS300) AND A FOURTR COURSE CALLED FEMINIST PRAXIS (WS400). > WE ARE PLANNING TO DEVELOP AN INTRODUCTORY COURSE FOR THE FIRST-YEAR > LEVEL, AND ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING A SECOND-YEAR COURSE WHICH > WILL PROVIDE A BRIDGE FROM THE INTRODUCTORY LEVEL TO THE RATHER DEMANDING > THIRD-YEAR FEMINIST THEORY COURSE. WE'RE THINKING ABOUT AN ISSUE-ORIENTED > INTRODUCTION TO FEMINIST THEORY AND METHODOLOGY. > WE WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR CURRICULUM DESIGN, INCLUDING > COPIES OF YOUR WOMEN'S STUDIES CALENDARS, COURSE SYLLA This past year, the National Women's Studies Task Force on the Women's Studies Major issued a report entitled _Liberal Learning and the Women's Studies Major_. It includes a 24-page report on the major and extensive appendixes of sample syllabi for introductory Women's Studies courses, courses on race and gender, feminist theory courses, courses on women and science, and capstone courses. It also includes some models of the major, guidelines for cross-listing courses, internship designs, and a bibliography on feminist pedagogy. _Liberal Learning and the Women's Studies Major_ is available from the National Women's Studies Association in two versions, a 250-page volume that includes the appendixes for $12.50 and a 24-page booklet that includes just the report on the major without the appendixes for $2.00 (Maryland residents should add 5% tax). To order either volume, or for more information, contact the National Women's Studies Association, University of Maryland - College Park, College Park, MD 20742-1325. Tel: (301) 405-5573. Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1991 15:37:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: GOLD@CTSTATEU.BITNET Subject: Textbook help ADVICE NEEDED FOR A NEW TEXTBOOK I am working on a textbook that will be published by Wadsworth press next fall, and I could use some advice. It's called MORAL CONTROVERSIES: A Multicultural Approach. While it is for an applied ethics class in a philosophy department, it has significant implications for women's studies both within philosophy departments, and in interdisciplinary work. PURPOSE: The book is intended to provide instructors in 'moral problems' courses with material that expresses diverse perspectives. Almost all of the books currently availiable use the same tired readings drawn from traditional white male sources. Rather than attempting to intergrate multicultural issues into a traditional framework, this text attempts to take a multicultural framework and integrate some traditional material for 'familiarity' and 'diologue' purposes (at the insistence of the publisher). TOPICS (rough outline): 1. Sexual and Reproductive Privacy - privacy theory - abortion - gay and lesbian rights - surrogate motherhood - AIDS 2. Criminal Justice - punishment and crime - death penalty - rape, acquaintance rape, and violence against women - pornography - prostitution 3. Economic Justice - distributive justice (theory, women and welfare, Native Americans, farm workers etc.) - affirmative action - comparable worth - sexual harassment These are the basic topics. I have already compiled over 150 articles and edited it down to 55. Anyone who wants more specifics let me know. Problems: 1. I need more material on women of color and people of color in general, in particular Asian American and Native American, and to some extent Latino material. 2. I am not entirely sure of the organizational structure. 3. The publisher is pushing hard to use more traditional white male material to 'sell' to your average philosopher, I have already compromised more than I want to. I understand that there is no point in publishing a text that no one, or only the few real lefties will buy. Hence, I have included some familiar traditional material. But I refuse to so water it down that the multicultural approach is seriously compromised. I'll stop whining. Any suggestions ASAP would be grately appreciated. peace Steve Gold GOLD@CTSTATEU ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1991 14:18:56 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: MCBROOMED@AXE.HUMBOLDT.EDU Subject: "Finding Voice" I will be teaching a women's studies culminating seminar soon on the theme: "Finding Voice for Women and People of Color". I would like to know what printed materials exist for this subject and would appreciate any suggestions that subscribers on this LIST might have for me. I am particularly interested in differences between genders in discourse; difficulties of people of color in America when they write for the academic sphere; and instances of people building a constituency or movement around issues that represent their concerns and particular voice. P;lease address comments to: MCBROOMED@axe.humboldt.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1991 16:37:22 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary Kay Schleiter Subject: general educatio n help I am on a committee which is revising the university-wide core requirements. Unfortunately, the committee as a whole is very traditional (or, less tactfully, backward) with regards to both women's studies and diversity issues in general. The required courses being developed reflect this perspective -- for example, two sample course designs were distributed today. One of them, for a course entitled "Perspectives on Great Ideas in Literature" lists a large number of readings, including Augustine, Aquinas, Dewey, Marx, Paul Tillich, etc. Out of 25 authors mentioned, only 2 are women -- Dorothy Day and Simone Weil. Only 1 person of color is mentioned -- Martin Luther King. The other course lists 12 authors, including such names as Tolstoy, Locke, Socrates, and Thoreau. No women are listed. Ghandi, Mandela, and ML King are mentioned. All of the proposed courses seem to have a similar perspective. These courses could have just as easily been designed in the 1950's as the 1990's. As one of only 2 vocal women on this 19 member committee (there are 2 other women who don't say anything) and one of 2 untenured members of the committee, I have little influence on what goes on. The general response to my ideas is, "Those of us who have been on this committee from the beginning . . ." and other such patronizing comments. My remarks, which have been low key up to now, also seem to provoke certain of the more arrogant members of the committee to break into a lecture on "higher values" and "educational quality." As a member of this committee, I feel a sense of responsibility for what it does, yet I also feel vulnerable and powerless. Any suggestions on what to do would be welcomed. Mary Kay mks@cs.uwp.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1991 18:19:15 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Richard A Weibl Subject: Re: "Finding Voice" In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 3 Dec 1991 14:18:56 -0800 Greetings...I am by no means broadly read in this area, but I have found bell hooks works have been exceptional in helping some better understand the tensions and possibilities of a women's movement that listens to the experiences and stories of African American women. Particularly _Talking Back, Talking Black_ and _Feminist Theory: From Margin to Center_. Best wishes.. Richard (Ric) Weibl rweibl@magnus.ohio-state.edu Educational Policy & Leadership, rweibl@osu.edu Center for Teaching Excellence The Ohio State University (614) 292-4976 "...to read does not oblige one to understand. First it is necessary to read, avoid understanding too quickly." Lacan ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1991 18:20:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Helen M. Raisz/Institute of Gerontology" Subject: RE: Czech contacts SWS, SOCIOLOGISTS FOR women in society would probably contribute a subscription to Gender and Society. I know I would support such an effort. Ask your colleague Pat martin, I think she is at USF, if not, I'll get her correct address. \ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1991 21:49:00 MDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: GR0RY@USU.BITNET Subject: needs assessment First, let me introduce myself. I am a doctoral student in educational research and evaluation at Utah State University. This quarter I am in a class on Needs Assessment. It has got me wondering what is really going on out in the real world, especially in women's studies. So, I thought I'd survey my fellow network subscribers. Please reply to the following questions to my bitnet address ( Gr0ry@usu ) ... That is a zero in Gr0ry. I will post a summary of the results to the net. Thank you for your help. Beth Walden 1. How often do you participate in a needs assessment? 2. What percentage of needs assessment that should be done, would you guess, are actually done? 3. Under what circumstances do you think a needs assessment should be done? 4. What do you think is the attitude about needs assessment at your institution and in your department? What is your attitude? 5. What, in your opinion, is the difference between needs assessment and evaluation (both formative and summative evaluation)? () Beth Walden gr0ry@cc.usu.edu []\ Utah State University gr0ry@usu.bitnet />___ Logan, UT 84322-1900 (801) 753-0080 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1991 07:17:00 MDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "JANIS BOHAN (556-3088/3205, MSC BOX 54)" Subject: WOMEN IN HISTORY OF PSYCH I'm trying to get the word out about a book of readings just published (by Kendall/Hunt, whose marketing budget is roughly zilch) intended as a supplement for History and Systems of Psych courses -- texts for which still exclude women. The book takes a constructionist approach, and includes some wonderful articles, and actually might be useful in other courses as well. Anyone who's interested in taking a look at it can contact Kendall/Hunt directly, call or EMAIL me and I'll see that you get more information, an exam copy, whatever. The book is called "Re-Placing Women in Psychology: Readings Toward a More Inclusive History." Janis Bohan "Bohan@MSCD.BITNET" (303)556-3088 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1991 13:35:36 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Donna Fyfe Subject: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: Message of Sun, 24 Nov 1991 22:37:00 EST from Please unsubscribe me from the list. Donna Fyfe ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1991 13:43:57 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Nancy Tuana Subject: Affirmative Action The women faculty at the University of Texas at Dallas are trying to convince our upper administration that changes are needed in the current implementation of AA/EEOC. We would appreciate information on other campuses who have conducted workshops on affirmative action, advancing an atmosphere for equal opportunity on campus, sexual harassment, etc., along with informa- tion on the AA/EEOC policies of other schools. If you know of helpful litera- ture on this topic, or addresses/phone numbers please let me know. Nancy Tuana TUANA@UTDALLAS.BITNET ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1991 17:23:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: DONNA set mail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1991 17:43:18 GMT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Converted from OfficeVision to RFC822 by PUMP V2.2X From: "Linda Lopez McAlister/Hypatia" Subject: Practice Random Kindness and Senseless Acts of Beauty *** Resending note of 12/04/91 16:50 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by CFRVM.CFR.USF.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6904; Wed, 04 Dec 91 16:50:07 GMT Received: from MITVMA by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 3776; Wed, 04 Dec 91 16:49:16 EST Received: from mc.lcs.mit.edu by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 04 Dec 91 16:49:14 EST Received: from mc by mc.lcs.mit.edu id aa14439; 4 Dec 91 15:41 EST Received: from enet-gw.pa.dec.com by mc.lcs.mit.edu id aa14437; 4 Dec 91 15:38 EST Received: by enet-gw.pa.dec.com; id AA10797; Wed, 4 Dec 91 12:38:26 -0800 From: "dbang::carroll"@labrea.enet.dec.com Message-Id: <9112042038.AA10797@enet-gw.pa.dec.com> Received: from labrea.enet; by decwrl.enet; Wed, 4 Dec 91 12:38:30 PST Date: Wed, 4 Dec 91 12:38:30 PST To: sappho@mc.lcs.mit.edu Apparently-To: sappho@mc.lcs.mit.edu Saw this posted elsewhere and just loved it; here it is, forwarded with permission of the person who entered it last. D! d_carroll@tle.enet.dec.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PRACTICE RANDOM KINDENESS AND SENSELESS ACTS OF BEAUTY It's a crisp winter day in San Francisco. A woman in a red Honda, Christ- mas presents piled in the back, drives up to the Bay Bridge tollbooth. "I'm paying for myself, and for the six cars behind me," she says with a smile, handing over seven commuter tickets. One after another, the next six drivers arrive at the tollbooth, dollars in hand, only to be told, "Some lady up ahead already paid your fare. Have a nice day." The woman in the Honda, it turned out, had read something on an index card taped to a friend's refrigerator: "Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty." The phrase seemed to leap out at her, and she copied it down. Judy Foreman spotted the same phrase spray-painted on a warehouse wall a hundred miles from her home. When it stayed on her mind for days, she gave up and drove all the way back to copy it down. "I thought it was incredibly beautiful," she said explaning why she's taken to writing it at the bottom of all her letters, "like a message from above." Her husband, Frank, liked the phrase so much that he put it up on the wall for his seventh graders, one of whom was the daughter of a local columnist. The columnist put it in the paper, admitting that though she liked it, she didn't know where it came from [sic] or what it really meant. Two days later, she heard from Anne Herbert. Tall, blonde, and forty, Herbert lives in Marin, one of the country's ten richest counties, where she house-sits, takes odd-jobs, and gets by. It was in a Sausalito restaurant that Herbert jotted the phrase down on a paper place mat, after turning it around in her mind for days. "That's wonderful!" a man sitting nearby said, and copied it down carefully on his own placemat. "Here's the idea," Herbert says. "anything you think there should be more of, do it randomly." Her own fantasies include: (1) breaking into depressing-looking schools to paint the classrooms, (2) leaving hot meals on kitchen tables in the poor parts of town, (3) slipping money into a proud old woman's purse. Says Herbert, "kindness can build on itself as much as violence can." Now the phrase is spreading, on bumper stickers, on walls, at the bottom of letters and business cards. And as it spreads, so does a vision of guerrilla goodness. In Portland, Oregon, a man might plunk a coin into a stranger's meter just in time. In Patterson, New Jersey, a dozen people with pails and mops and tulip bulbs might descend on a run-down house and clean it from top to bottom while the frail elderly owners look on, dazed and smiling. In Chicago, a teenage boy may be shoveling off the driveway when the impulse strikes. What the hell, nobody's looking, he thinks, and shovels the neighbor's driveway, too. It's positive anarchy, disorder, a sweet disturbance. A woman in Boston writes "Merry Christmas!" to the tellers on the back of her checks. A man in St. Louis, whose car has just been rear-ended by a young woman, waves her away, saying, "It's a scratch. Don't Worry." Senseless acts of beauty spread: A man plants daffodils along the roadway, his shirt billowing in the breeze from passing cars. In Seattle, a man appoints himself a one man vigilante sanitation service and roams the concrete hills collecting litter in a supermarket cart. In Atlanta, a man scrubs graffiti from a green park bench. They say you can't smile without cheering yourself up a little -- likewise, you can't commit a random act of kindeness without feeling as if your own troubles have been lightened if only because the world has become a slightly better place. And you can't be a recipient without feeling a shock, a pleasant jolt. If you were one of those rush-hour drivers who found your bridge fare paid, who knows what you might have been inspired to do for someone else later? Wave someone on in the intersection? Smile at a tired clerk? Or something larger, greater? Like all revolutions, guerrilla goodness begins slowly, with a single act. Let it be yours. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1991 19:31:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: BMARANTZ@SNYESCVA.BITNET Subject: RE: Practice Random Kindness and Senseless Acts of Beauty Thank you for the wonderful message -- a voice of sanity in a generally insane world. Will do! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1991 19:29:40 MST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: nancy felipe russo Subject: Re: Practice Random Kindness and Senseless Acts of Beauty In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 4 Dec 1991 17:43:18 GMT from People interested in the theme of practicing random kindness, etc., might want to read the book Magnificant Obsession (they made a movie out of it too)--I read it when I was very young and remember it as very powerful (at least to an impressionable youth). Nancy Felipe Russo, Ph.D. Director, Women's Studies ASU, Tempe, AZ 85287-1801 (602)965-2358 FAX:(602)965-2357 BITNET: ATNFR@ASUACAD ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1991 09:30:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: KILATTA@VAXSAR.VASSAR.EDU Subject: Re: needs assessment What is needs assessment? I have never heard of it. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1991 10:17:43 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Thomas Sullivan Sociology Subject: what is needs assessment This is in response to the person who asked what a needs assessment is. what follows is a copy of the note I sent to the person who originally asked about needs assessment and a reference to two of my books that have material on needs assessment. I am in a department of sociology and social work. Here are some quick answers to your questions. 1. I or my students seem to do at least one needs assessment each year. 2. This is a wild guess, but I would say that no more than 10% of the needs assessments that should be done are actually done. 3. A needs assessment should be done whenever considering starting up a new program or providing a new service or revising the same. Too often we just guess at how much need there is for a new program or service. I have seen enough needs assessment show that there is little need for something to tell me that this can be very valuable. 4. The attitude in my dpeartment is very positive, but then we are all social researchers so you would expect that. 5. Needs assessment is assessing extent of need BEFORE a program is designed and set up; evaluation (both formative and summative) are an effort to actually run a program and assess how well it achieves its goals. What are you going to do with these responses? Incidentally, I have two books out that have material on needs assessment and evaluation research in them: APPLIED SOCIAL RESEARCH: TOOL FOR THE HUMAN SERVICES (with Duane Monette and Cornell DeJong), Holt, Rinehart, and Winston, 1990, 2d ed. APPLIED SOCIOLOGY: RESEARCH AND CRITICAL THINKING, Macmillan, 1992. You might want to take a look at them and the references mentioned there to explore the topic more. Thomas J. Sullivan Department of Sociology and Social Work Northern Michigan University Marquette, Michigan 49855 bitnet: FATJ@NMUMUS ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1991 10:37:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Survey re Lesbian & Gay Faculty The following questionnaire was posted on the list HUMANIST, with the request that it be cross-posted to other relevant lists. IF YOU WISH TO RESPOND, PLEASE DO NOT SEND YOUR REPLIES TO WMST-L. LOUIE CREW IS NOT A SUBSCRIBER TO WMST-L AND WILL NOT RECEIVE YOUR REPLIES UNLESS YOU SEND THEM TO THE ADDRESS PROVIDED: Louie Crew, Assoc. Prof., Academic Foundations Dept., Rutgers U./Newark, Newark, N.J. 07102 or email to: LCREW@ANDROMEDA.RUTGERS.EDU. If you have questions, please contact Louie Crew, not WMST-L. Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc *********************************************************** Please send me private email completing this Faculty Survey. Do not post to the list. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. Louie Crew Faculty Survey [In this query, 'out' means 'anyone who has revealed lesgay sexual orientation at the institution.' -lc] My Institutions:________________ City/State..__________________ Approximate no. of full-time students at all levels:____________ My Department:__________________ Approximate no. of majors_____ My rank/position:_______________________________________________ W/i my department, I estimate: (Please fill in blanks with numbers.) Re: female colleagues ____ 'out' lesbians among the ____ female full professors ____ 'out' lesbians among the ____ female associate professors ____ 'out' lesbians among the ____ female assistant professors ____ 'out' lesbians among the ____ female full-time faculty below assist. Re: male colleagues ____ 'out' gay males among the ____ male full professors ____ 'out' gay males among the ____ male associate professors ____ 'out' gay males among the ____ male assistant professors ____ 'out' lesbians/gays among the ____ full-time faculty below assist. I consider myself: (Please check) ____ less likely than most other colleagues to know the sexual orientation of lesgay colleagues. ____ about as likely as most other colleagues to know the sexual orientation of lesgay colleagues. ____ more likely than most other colleagues to know the sexual orientation of lesgay colleagues. Please send me a copy of the results of this study. ___Yes ___ No ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you in advance for your response. I would appreciate your posting this query on other forums. Louie Crew, Assoc. Prof., Academic Foundations Dept., Rutgers U./NWK 07102 lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1991 13:11:28 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lisa Suhair Majaj Subject: anthology of Arab American feminist writings Joanna Kadi is editing an anthology of writings by Arab feminists for Kitchen Table: WOmen of COlor Press. She is soliciting writings from women who are Arab-American, Arab-Canadian, or of Arab/Middle Eastern origin now living in the U.S. or Canada. SHe is open to receiving writing in any form -- short stories, essays, poems, letters, journal excerpts, dialogues, plays. Please spread the word to friends and colleagues who might be interested in submitting work. You can receive more information from Joanna Kadi at P.O. Box 7556, MInneapolis, MN 55407, or by sending email to me. (Since I am working on a project on Arab American writing, I would be interested in hearing from anyone thinking of submitting work, or any Arab American writers.) Lisa Majaj andalexa@wpi.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1991 14:19:47 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Sarah M. Pritchard" Subject: library job The following job was just advertised on one of the listserv's for library management; it may be of interest to readers of WMST-L, both as a job opportunity and to know that the library at SUNY- Binghamton supports this area: >From Sarah Pritchard, Association of Research Libraries pritchar@umdc (202-232-2466) ----------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1991 10:09:17 ECT Reply-To: Frank Mols Sender: "Library Administration and Management" Subject: JOB OPENINGS STATE UNIVERSITY OF NEW YORK AT BINGHAMTON (...) The library system is composed of the Glenn G. Bartle Library, serving the social sciences and humanities and housing the centralized technical services operation, the Science Library, the Fine Arts Library, and three residential college libraries. The University is a member of RLG. Qualifications include ALA accredited MLS, effective interpersonal skills, excellent oral and written communication skills, and a strong commitment to service and professional development. Second advanced degree desirable. Excellent fringes including TIAA/CREF. Screening begins December 15 and will continue until filled. Reference Librarian/Women's Studies Bibliographer. Assistant or Senior Assistant Librarian. Responsibilities include reference services, information education activities, and collection development and management for Women's Studies, an interdisciplinary undergraduate program. Required: Bachelor's and/or Master's degree in subject area relevant to women's issues or equivalent combination of education and experience; experience in database searching; willingness to work flexible schedule including evening/weekend hours. Academic library experience and working knowledge of library automated systems preferred. Salary minimum $25,000. Send cover letter, current resume, and names, addresses, and telephone numbers of three references to: Mary Ann Sincavage Assistant to the Director of Libraries for Personnel Administration Glenn G. Bartle Library P. O. Box 6012 State University of New York at Binghamton Binghamton, New York 13902-6012 The State University of New York at Binghamton is strongly committed to affirmative action. We offer access to services and recruit students and employees without regard to race, color, sex, religion, age, disability, marital status, sexual orientation, or national origin. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1991 13:01:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: MARTINS@SKLIB.USASK.CA Subject: In memoriam On 6 December 1989 Genevieve Bergeron, Helene Colgan, Nathalie Croteau, Barbara Daigneault, Anne-Marie Edward, Maud Haviernick, Barbara Marie Kleuznick, Maryse Leclair, Maryse Legainiere, Anne-Marie Lemay, Sonia Pelletier, Michele Richard, Anne St. Arneault and Annette Turcotte were gunned down at the Ecole-Polytechnique, Montreal, by a gunman who hated the fact that they were women engineering students. 6 December 1991 has been declared a national Day of Remembrance and Action on Violence Against Women by an Act of the Parliament of Canada. Please join the women and men of Canada in wearing white ribbons on 6 December 1991 to remember the deaths of the Montreal 14 and all women and children slain by the violence prompted and condoned by patriarchal society. Shirley Martin U of Saskatchewan Canada MARTINS@SKLIB.USASK.CA ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1991 16:05:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Answering received message From: GCARR@BUCKNELL.BITNET Subject: thanks In-Reply-To: <01GD7YLDHOOK0004RV@coral.bucknell.edu> Thank you so much for your nice note! Alice Walker's book is already on my list--they love that book, and also the later book of essays, the one with the piece on the MOVE bombing. Of course, the MOVE women are incarcerated where I'll be working, so its a great choice, too. Thanks again, and happy holidays! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1991 16:31:09 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: chan@MACPOST.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA Subject: Teach-in on Sexism We are at a preliminary stage of organizing a teach-in on sexism and violence against women for March of 1992. We are wondering if some of you have experience in organizing such an event and would be willing to let us know about your program: the content, its successes, failure or any suggestions. Thank you for your attention. Leslie K.W.Chan Dept of Anthropology Scarborough College University of Toronto ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1991 21:31:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Four job openings I have received word of the following four job openings. Please send all inquiries to the people named in the announcements, not to WMST-L or to me. Joan Korenman (korenman@umbc or @umbc2.umbc.edu) ************************************************************** 1) The College of the Holy Cross seeks an academic affairs administrator with experience in faculty and curriculum development to direct the Center for Interdisciplinary and Special Studies, the locale for innovation in faculty and curriculum development at the College. The Center administers four interdisciplinary concentrations in International Studies, Peace and Conflict Studies, African American Studies, and Women's Studies. The Center has responsibility for interdisciplinary programs in the College, including the Honors Program, the First Year Program, the Washington Semester Program, the Academic Internship Program, and Interdisciplinary seminars. On average, 400 students from all departments of the College are enrolled in one of the Center's programs each semester. The Director reports to the Vice President for Academic Affairs and is advised by a committee composed of faculty members from throughout the College. The Director is responsible for administering the activities, budgets, and programs of the Center. The Director works with the faculty, administration, and students of the College in the development and coordination of programs, courses, seminars, colloquia, conferences, cultural events, and grants associated with the Center. The Director serves on a number of faculty committees and ordinarily teaches one course each year. The position of Director is an administrative appointment with faculty status. Qualifications for this position include an earned doctorate, substantial experience as a faculty member and as an academic administrator, experience administering staffs and complex budgets, expertise in interdisciplinary enquiry in both teaching and in research, a commitment to excellence in liberal arts education for undergraduates, and the ability to work with diverse constituencies. Applications, including a statement of interest, a CV, and t least three letters of reference, as well as nominations, should be sent to: Chair, Director Search Committee, Center for Interdisciplinary and Special Studies, c/o Office for the Vice President of Academic Affairs, College of the Holy Cross, Worcester, MA 01610-2395. Closing date for receipt of nominations is December 13, 1991; closing date for receipt of completed applications is January 10, 1992. The College of the Holy Cross is an equal opportunity employer and welcomes applications from women and persons of color. ********************************************************* 2) State University of New York, College at Oneonta, invites candidates to fill a vacancy in Women's Studies (joint appointment). Candidates must qualify for joint appointment with another department listed. Teaching responsibility will include an introductory Women's Studies course, a feminist theory course, and courses in the candidate's area of specialization. Individuals whose research and teaching concern issues of race and ethnicity are particularly encouraged to apply. Preferred qualifications include a terminal degree appropriate to the field of study, teaching experience, and documented scholarly accomplishment or promise. In most cases, otherwise qualified individuals who have not yet completed the appropriate terminal degree will be considered for appointment as Lecturer or Instructor. Review of candidates will begin immediately and continue until position is filled. To receive full consideration, materials should be received by January 21, 1992. Applicants should submit a cover letter with a brief summary of qualifications and experiences, resume, and names and phone numbers of three references. Submit materials, or requests for additional information to: Vice President for Multicultural Affairs Netzer Administration Building, Box C State University of New York, College of Oneonta Oneonta, New York 13820-4015 AA/EOE ************************************************************* 3) Women's Studies, University of Rochester, Susan B. Anthony Professor of Women's Studies. Tenured position in Women's Studies and another discipline (literature, history, religion, anthropology, art history) for a distinguished feminist scholar whose research and teaching are interdisciplinary. Send applications, references, and vita by February 1, 1992, to: Susan B. Anthony Center, 538 Lattimore Hall, University of Rochester, Rochester, New York 14627. AA/EOE ************************************************************** 4) The University of Houston-Clear Lake offers a full-time tenure track position in Literature to begin September 1, 1992. Ph.D. in English or American Studies is required. We are seeking a specialist in American Literature. Preference will be given to those able to teach, in addition, in one of the following areas--Minority Literature, Women's Literature, Literary Theory, Third World Literature. UH-Clear Lake is an upper-level university serving juniors, seniors, and master's candidates. Three courses a semester. Salary competitive. Please send letter of application, CV, and names of three references to Dr. Carol Snyder, Associate Dean for Academic Affairs, School of Human Sciences and Humanities, Box 416, UH-Clear Lake, 2700 Bay Area Blvd., Houston, TX 77058. Review of applications begins immediately and continues until the position is filled. AA/EOE. We recognize that minority and racial diversity increases the quality of our faculty and student body. Candidate must provide proof of eligibility to work in the United States. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1991 13:11:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Mary.King" <22741MGR@MSU.BITNET> Subject: 3 job announcements Hello! While accidentally having lunch this week with the Chair of the Sociology Department at Michigan State University, he told me that they are conducting a job search for someone who does work on women in developing countries. I'm an economist at James Madison College at MSU, so don't know much else about the position, but it sounded like a good opportunity! Yours, Mary King 22741mgr@msu or (517)336-1157 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1991 16:54:44 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ethel Tobach Subject: The real meaning of all the holidays around the solstice Thanks for much for the message about random kindness and pointless beauty.... it was a real spirit-lifter. Ethel Tobach ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1991 18:11:46 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Amanda Goldrick-Jones Subject: Trying to Deliver a Message My apologies for taking up time and space on the list with this message. I cannot get through to the recipient at either of her addresses! This is for Susan E. Fillipelli at Univ. of Alabama. Susan, hope you get this--and once again, apologies to all on WMST-L who _aren't_ Susan Fillipelli! ---(Forwarded from: postmaster@asnuah.asn.net, Dated: Fri, 6 Dec 91 09:11:20 EST)--- Return-path: Received: from asnuah.asn.net by MTS.RPI.EDU via Internet with TCP; Fri, 6 Dec 9 Date: 6 Dec 91 09:11:20 CDT From: "SMTP MAILER" To: "amanda_goldrick-jones" ----Reason for mail failure follows---- Sending mail to recipient(s) UAHSEFO1 : Couldn't make final delivery. %MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user UAHSEFO1 at node ASNUAH ----Transcript of message follows---- Received: from rpi.edu by asnuah.asn.net with SMTP ; Fri, 6 Dec 91 09:10:43 CDT Received: from MTS.RPI.EDU by rpi.edu (4.1/SMHUB31); id AA20020; Fri, 6 Dec 91 11:09:02 EST for UAHSEFO1@ASNUAH.ASN.NET Date: Fri, 6 Dec 91 11:08:30 EST From: Amanda_Goldrick-Jones@MTS.RPI.EDU To: UAHSEFO1@ASNUAH.ASN.NET Message-Id: <2606953@MTS.RPI.EDU> Subject: Attempting to send a thank-you note I hope this one will get through! The Bitnet address didn't work. ---(Forwarded from: POSTMAST@UAHVAX1.BITNET, Dated: Fri, 6 Dec 91 07:43:00 EST)- Received: from UAHVAX1(POSTMAST) by RPITSMTS(MAILER) via BITNET with RM id <162900@RPITSMTS.BITNET>; Fri, 6 Dec 91 07:42:56 EST Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1991 06:43 CST From: Subject: Returned Network Mail To: USERGSLU@RPITSMTS Original_To: BITNET%"USERGSLU@RPITSMTS" Your mail is being returned to you. Reason for return is: %MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user UAHSEFO1 at node ASNUAH Returned mail follows: ------------------------------ Received: From RPITSMTS(MAILER) by UAHVAX1 with Jnet id 1687 for UAHSEFO1@UAHVAX1; Fri, 6 Dec 1991 06:43 CST Date: Thu, 5 Dec 91 18:24:24 EST From: Amanda Goldrick-Jones Subject: Thanks To: UAHSEFO1@UAHVAX1.BITNET Message-Id: <2605698@RPITSMTS.BITNET> Hello, Susan! This is to thank you for sending me a copy of your paper "The 'Girl Singer. . .'" and to apologize for not acknow- leging earlier that it came to me (before Thanksgiving). I have read the first few pages and am struck by the commonality of the project many of us are working on, in our own ways, of finding women's voices and trying to describe them. I notice in your Bib references to Gilligan, Heilbrun (interesting relation of Heil- brun's study of female autobiography to country music; it sits nicely!). I know virtually nothing about country music but am looking forward to being able to read the rest of your paper. Right now it's the Graduate Student End-of-Term Syndrome. . .!! I'll keep you up to date on any projects I'm working on that might be of interest to you. Thanks again for thinking of me. Have a good Christmas. --Amanda-Goldrick-Jones@mts.rpi.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1991 21:23:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: women w/doctoral degrees sought This message first appeared on SYSTERS and then on FEMAIL, from which I am reprinting it. If you have questions or wish to participate, please contact Carole Slipowitz at the address or phone # below. DO NOT respond to WMST-L. Joan Korenman (korenman@umbc) **************************************************************** I'm forwarding this from the systers list. It was posted for a woman who is doing a study on women and achievement and is looking for women with doctoral degrees. She has access to lots of psychologists, but would like to balance things out with computer scientists, or anyone else you may have access to. Feel free to forward this message. Please reply to her, not to me or to Systers. Thanks. She is: Carole Slipowitz (617) 499-9537 (preferred) 74 Maynard St. West Newton, MA. 02165 ====================================================================== Hello! My name is Carole Slipowitz. I am currently a doctoral student at Massachusetts School of Professional Psychology, and am doing an exploratory qualitative research study of professional women who have academic doctoral degrees. I am asking for your help in finding participants for my study. Participants would fill out a short demographic questionnaire and then meet with me for a semi-structured interview which would last between one and two hours. I am interested in interviewing women who are between 35 and 45 years old and have academic doctoral degrees (e.g., Ph.D., Psy.D. or Ed.D., but not M.D. or J.D.), with whom I do not already have a personal or professional relationship. Participants also must have been raised in the United States. Briefly, the nature of the study is as follows: I am interested in the fact that people tend to have different definitions of what it means to achieve, and to be successful in life. I will be asking each participant what it means to her to be successful in life. This initial question will be followed by a few other related questions. I am interested in having each woman tell me not only about her work, but also about her life as a whole. The confidentiality of all participants will be respected. Identifying information will be changed and pseudonyms will be used when I write up the study. Participants will be welcome to receive a copy of the results once the work is completed. If you know women aged 35-45 with doctoral degrees (or, if you yourself are such a woman!) who you think might be available to be interviewed in November, December or January, I would be very grateful if you would refer them to me. I plan to do most of the interviews in the Boston area, but I have some flexibility to travel, particularly to other parts of the East Coast. Please feel free to distribute copies of this letter. If a potential participant has any questions or would like more information, I can be reached at (617) 499-9537. Thank you so much for your help! Sincerely, Carole Slipowitz ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1991 23:28:00 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Janie Johnson Subject: Random Kindness (well, sort of) The following is a Neiman-Marcus cookie story complete with $250 recipe courtesy of the 'owner'. Hope you enjoy it. =========================FORWARDED MESSAGE==================================== Date: Mon, 2 Dec 91 09:56:25 PST From: "Brynna Donn" Forwarded from Apple--enjoy. ============================================================================== SUBJECT: EXPENSIVE LESSON - $250.00 COOKIE RECIPE My daughter and I had finished a salad at the Neiman-Marcus Cafe in Dallas and decided to have a small desert. Because our family members are such "Cookie Monsters", we decided to try the Neiman-Marcus Cookie. It was so good that I asked if they would give me the recipe. She said with a frown, "I'm afraid not", "Well", I said, "Would you let me buy the recipe?" With a cute smile, she agreed. I asked how much, and she responded "Two Fifty". I said with approval, "Just add it to my tab". Thirty days later I received my statement from Neiman-Marcus and it was $285.00. I looked again and remembered I had only spent $9.95 for two salads and about $20 for a scarf. As I glanced at the bottom of the statement said "Cookie Recipe-$250". Boy was I upset! I called Neiman's accounting office and told them the waitress said it was "two fifty" and did not realize she meant $250 for a cookie recipe. I asked them to take back the recipe and reduce my bill, but they said they were sorry, but all recipes were this expensive so not just anyone could duplicate the bakery recipes...the bill would stand. I thought of how I could try to get even or try to get my money back. I just said okay, you folks got my $250 and now I'm going to have $250 worth of fun. I told her that I was going to see to it that every cookie lover will have the $250 recipe from Neiman-Marcus for nothing. She replied "I wish you wouldn't do this." I said, "I'm sorry, but this is the only way I feel I can get even and I will." So here it is, please pass it on to someone else or run a few copies...I paid for it, so now you can have it for free!!! 2 cups butter 1 tsp. salt 2 cups sugar 2 tsp. baking powder 2 cups brown sugar 2 tsp. soda 4 eggs 24 oz. chocolate chips 2 tsp. vanilla 1-8 oz. Hershey bar, grated 4 cups flour 3 cups chopped nuts 5 cups blended oatmeal* Cream butter and both sugars. Add eggs and vanilla. Mix together with flour, oatmeal, salt, baking powder and soda. Add chocolate chips, Hershey bar and nuts. Roll into balls and place two inches apart on a cookie sheet. Bake for 10 minutes at 375. Makes 112 cookies (recipe may be halved). * Measure oatmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder. Have fun! This is not a joke - this is a true story!!!!! (believe it or not?????) -------- Forward on to others. ========================End forwarde message========================= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1991 10:15:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: GCARR@FLINT.BUCKNELL.EDU Subject: business rip-offs This is a scholarly note in response to the charming Neiman-Marcus cookie story. These stories circulate widely, especially at this time of year when the crass commercialism of U.S. culture and the contradictions of Reagan-era capitalism come shockingly to the attention of shoppers. While not doubting the "truth" of the story, I'd like to point out its similarities to others, especially the Red Velvet Cake stories so neatly described in "Business Ripoffs: Two Favorite Media Legends" in Jan Brunvand's The Vanishing Hitchhiker: American Urban Legends and Their Meanings. And by the way, folklore is an excellent, productive way to teach Women's Studies. I'd like to see more of us incorporate folkloric materials into our Intro courses. Glynis Carr, Dept. English, Bucknell University, Lewisburg PA 17837 GCARR@BUCKNELL.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1991 09:52:00 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Janie Johnson Subject: Re: Random kindness (well, sort of) Since I was the one who posted the Neiman-Marcus cookie story, I should probably also add that I have no way of knowing whether it is 'true' or not. One friend described it as either "clever fiction" or "clever truth". It wouldn't be the first time a 'tall tale' has come out of Texas. On the other hand it is representative of the extravagant and snobbish image often associated with Neiman-Marcus where one can purchase 'his' and 'her' jets @$4,000,000, a Christmas tree decorated with precious stones @$1,500,000, a solid gold bathtub for $700,000 or, for those on a budget, a 'matching pair' of Bengal tigers for a mere $38,000 or an 8-place setting of jade soup bowls for only $24,000. Janie Johnson jxjohnson@ualr.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1991 10:19:00 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Janie Johnson Subject: Re: Random Kindness (well, sort of) One quick followup note. I believe the correct spelling is Nieman-Marcus which may or may not give a clue as to the truth of the story. jxjohnso@ualr.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1991 13:03:56 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: IP05946@PORTLAND.BITNET In-Reply-To: Re: Random kindness (well, sort of) Re. Cookies. This is not the first time that I have heard this story, so I looked into it a bit more. At least two sepereate sources confirm that it is t he truth. Oh well, truth or not, it is still a good story...Enjoy. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1991 11:15:48 MST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ATNFR@ASUACAD.BITNET In-Reply-To: Message of Sun, 8 Dec 1991 13:03:56 EST from Re cookies: The critical thing, though, is are they good cookies!!! (As I scientist, I will test that.......) Nancy Felipe Russo, Ph.D. Director, Women's Studies ASU, Tempe, AZ 85287-1801 (602)965-2358 FAX:(602)965-2357 BITNET: ATNFR@ASUACAD ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1991 13:24:42 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Frank Dane In-Reply-To: Message of Sun, 8 Dec 1991 11:15:48 MST from At the risk of being labelled overly serious, may I point out that the Nieman-Marcus cookie story, true or not, has more of the flavor (no pun intended--well, sort of) of guerilla economics than guerilla goodness. On th eother hand, relating such stories can be an effective means for generating discussions about social implications of an economy- oriented, consumption-based society. Francis C. Dane, Assoc. Prof. & Chair Department of Pschology, Mercer University Macon, GA 31207-0001 USA FDANE@UGA.BITNET ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1991 12:56:08 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: LL23000 Subject: cookie legend In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of SUN 08 DEC 1991 13:03:56 EST > Re. Cookies. This is not the first time that I have heard this story, so I > looked into it a bit more. At least two sepereate sources confirm that it is > he truth. Oh well, truth or not, it is still a good story...Enjoy. I thought I had heard this cookie story before, and it has been confirme d by people on the urban folklore list that this story has been around for a long time--that one version (which is the one I heard) has to do with Mrs. Field's cookies. So I am interested in how your sources could confirm this as "the truth" . Do they know the person involved? Or, have they simply seen it enoug h, in a variety of places, that they believe it to be true, because they think this would have been squelched if it were false? I think that how we determine the truth of rumors is crucial. After all , some people felt that Anita Hill hadn't been REALLY harassed, because if she had, there would have been rumors about it. Karen ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1991 17:55:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: MMULLARKEY@HAMP.HAMPSHIRE.EDU Subject: those darned cookies... Funny, this entire debate over the cookie recipe/story just circulated on another list that I'm on. My vote? Total farce. Michaela (MMULLARKEY@HAMPVMS.BITNET) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1991 21:01:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ASHELDON@UMNACVX.BITNET Subject: Re: cookie legend I would like to raise what might seem like an impertinence re the cookie recipe story: has anyone MADE the recipe? Do the cookies taste good, even? Why argue about the origins of the recipe if the cookies don't even taste good? Frankly, when I saw "oatmeal" in the recipe, I did start to wonder if it was money well spent. Cookie making mom in Minneapolis. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1991 02:06:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: HENKING@HWS.BITNET Subject: in re cookies anyone out there ever read the books about urban legends? susan (henking@hws) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1991 06:48:00 MDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "JANIS BOHAN (556-3088/3205, MSC BOX 54)" Subject: Book on women in hist of psy From: ZENO::BOHAN "JANIS BOHAN (556-3088/3205, MSC BOX 54)" 4-DEC-1991 17:13:21.42 To: BITNET%"FAC_ASKAHN@JMUVAX" CC: BOHAN Subj: RE: Hi RE; requests for further information about the Women in the History of Psych book: Basics: Title: Re-Placing Women in Psychology: Readings Toward a More Inclusive History Published by Kendall/Hunt (Dubuque,IA) Approx. 200 pp., Cost $21.95. The book includes an introduction (presentation of constructionism), section introductions, 9 articles dealing with constructionism, women's place in psychology (as constructed), and the impact of women on the field, finishing with a conclusion that discusses new directions. The best part is material to help students (and instructors) incorporate specific women, using this constructionist perspective. It includes a list of 40 major women in the history of psy, along with biographical references for them. Also includes a chart for the instructor to figure out which women to include where (either by her/his own lectures or by assigning student projects) -- with parallels to a standard text. Also includes a huge bib of sources re: constructionism, historiography, and gender theory as related to women in history of psy ... roughly. Finally, it includes study/essay/review questions and section evaluations, which can be removed (perforated sheets) and turned in to keep the instructor aware of how the material is being handled by students. For more info: Janis Bohan, Metropolitan State College of Denver, P.O. Box 173362, Denver, CO 80217-3362; (303)556-3088. BITNET%"BOHAN@MSCD.BITNET" ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1991 07:10:00 MDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "JANIS BOHAN (556-3088/3205, MSC BOX 54)" Subject: Women in Hist of Psy Book I'm having trouble getting messages back to people who requested information about or exam copies of the book "Re-Placing Women in the History of Psychology: Readings Toward a More Inclusive History" (about which I've posted more infor today. If anyone out there would like to receive an exam copy, write to: Cathy Goodman KEndall/Hunt Publishing Co 2460 Kerper Blvd. Dubuque, Iowa 52001 Or phone me directly (303)556-3088 Or phone me directly: (303) 556-3088 Janis Bohan BITNET%"BOHAN@MSCD.BITNET" ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1991 09:15:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Candice Feldt Subject: Re: Random Kindness (well, sort of) As a native of Texas now living in a city which also has one, the store really is spelled Neiman Marcus, not Nieman Marcus. Why are people so reluctant to believe this woman's story? It doesn't strike me as far fetched at all! Candy Feldt Tufts University cfeldt@pearl.tufts.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1991 10:09:12 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Jean L. Potuchek jupiter.cc.gettysburg.edu" Subject: Cookies and Random Acts There's a certain amount of lightheartedness that's appropriate for the holiday season. Unfortunately, however, for many of us this is also the end-of-semester grading crunch. At a time of the semester when every minute of my time is carefully budgeted and precious having to spend half an hour wading through messages about cookies feels more like a random act of hostility than a random act of kindness. Let's try to balance fun with consideration. --------------- Jean L. Potuchek Women's Studies Bitnet: jpotuche@gburg Gettysburg College Internet:jpotuche@cc.gettysburg.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1991 12:48:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: NWSA and electronic communications After an initial wariness of electronic communications, the National Women's Studies Association has begun to recognize the advantages that such communication offers. I spoke last week to Deborah Louis, NWSA's acting director, who told me that the only thing standing in the way of NWSA's joining the e-mail world is the need for an Ethernet card to connect them to the mainframe. They've been told that an Ethernet card would cost somewhere in the vicinity of $200-$300. If anyone were thinking of making a tax-deductible end-of-year donation to NWSA, you might consider specifying that your donation be used to help buy the Ethernet card. According to Debbie Louis, you can do this by writing "For Ethernet Card" in the lower left-hand part of the check. (I'd be inclined to write a cover memo as well.) Checks can be sent to National Women's Studies Association, Univ. of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742-1325. If you have questions, the NWSA's phone number is (301) 405-5573. Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1991 13:56:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Phyllis Holman Weisbard Subject: upcoming conferences query I would like to find out about women's studies conferences planned for Spring 1992 and thereafter, particularly ones planned for the MidWest. A special interest of a faculty member here is combining women's studies and the 500th anniversary of Columbus' landing. Are any conferences planning sessions to deal with this theme? Reply to pweis@macc.wisc.edu. Phyllis Holman Weisbard, Acting Women's Studies Librarian, University of Wisconsin System, 430 Memorial Library, 728 State Street, Madison, WI 53706 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1991 16:51:03 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: MIKE Subject: RE: upcoming conferences query It's beyond me ... what's the connection between women's studies and c Columbus? Mike Keenan keenan@gw.wmich.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1991 18:06:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Betty K. Fry, Systems Dept., Rutgers University" Subject: Re: Random kindness (well, sort of) Seems like the subscribers on this bb sure don't have much to do. Why don't you get on one of the less scholarly ones and quit cluttering up my mailbox! Betty K. Fry BFRY@zodiac.rutgers.edu Library Programmer/Analyst Rutgers University Libraries Systems Dept., Technical and Automated Svcs Library Technical Svcs Bldg., Davidson Road Piscataway, New Jersey 08854 (908) 932-5896: voice (908) 932-5888: fax ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1991 18:29:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Betty K. Fry, Systems Dept., Rutgers University" Subject: Re: Cookies and Random Acts There's a certain amount of lightheartedness that's appropriate for the Thanks so much, Jean! You said it much more tactfully than I did! And I am not even burdened by end-of-semester. Just boredom as I read 1 useful message in 10 (Thank God for those 10% who understand what Joan is trying to tell us!) Betty K. Fry BFRY@zodiac.rutgers.edu Library Programmer/Analyst Rutgers University Libraries Systems Dept., Technical and Automated Svcs Library Technical Svcs Bldg., Davidson Road Piscataway, New Jersey 08854 (908) 932-5896: voice (908) 932-5888: fax ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1991 21:06:00 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Janie Johnson Subject: The Nature of this List Last time I checked there were over 500 people on this list and it has occurred to me that anything posted to the list may be construed as 'mailbox clutter' to someone. I debated whether to post the Neiman-Marcus cookie story because it is a 'fun' thing rather than a 'serious' and 'scholarly' thing, but that really is not the point-- although it has also occurred to me that a bit of humor might add something to the list. There have been a number of times when I had something dealing specifically with women's studies that I wished to post to the list and did not simply because of the pressure I feel to not 'clutter' mailboxes and, in effect, that consideration is now uppermost in my mind when I consider posting to WMST-L. If other people are feeling as much pressure as I feel at this point to refrain from posting to the list then I suspect we are missing out on some interesting and informative discussions. It reminds me of when I was in third grade. Our teacher told us absolutely never to ask her anything the answer to which we could find in a book. Being extremely conscientious, I figured that there was nothing I could not find in a book and so never asked another question until I got to graduate school and then asked all the 'wrong' ones in a time and a place where my interest in women's studies was not appreciated. If this 'list' is to be a mere Bulletin Board for job, conference and new book announcements and not a list for the *discussion* of women's studies then I think we all need to be made aware of that in very explicit terms. Joan has done a fine job trying to steer a middle course between those of us who would prefer it be only a bulletin board and those of us who would prefer more discussion. I am very glad that job and conference announcements are posted to the list. No other list I am on is as good in that respect. Because I am isolated here without others interested in women's studies with whom I can discuss current trends and issues, I would prefer to see more actual discussion on the 'list'. For example, I found the recent postings by Allan Hunter thought-provoking and pertinent and would like to have seen some followup discussion. It has occurred to me that perhaps two lists might be appropriate: one that is a bulletin board for announcements and one that is for discussion. On the other hand, my computer has a delete key and I can survey the 'subject headings' of all of my mail, pull out that with subject headings which interest me and delete all the rest simultaneously with the flick of a key. Other lists to which I subscribe generally have several discussions going simultaneously and I simply choose to read those in which I am interested. For example, I would like to see some extensive discussion on this list of what is going on currently in the areas of women's spirituality, cultural feminism, feminism and science, the psychology of women and how women are treated by mental health professions, feminist therapy, feminist philosophy, women in history, women under colonialism, and any number of others. All of us are very busy and I don't think it is a matter of some of us being less 'serious' or less 'scholarly'. It just seems to me that there is a better way to deal with this issue rather than forcing everyone to make the most important criteria of this list a desire to not "clutter" the mailboxes of others for one person's 'clutter' may be just what someone else needs or could appreciate. Every time women's studies or feminism has come up on some of the lists I am on it has been subjected to intense ridicule. This list could serve a very useful function in providing a 'safe' place where women's studies could be discussed without the discussants being subjected to 'locker-room' vulgarities and violence. Janie Johnson jxjohnson@ualr.edu (internet) jxjohnson@ualr.bitnet ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1991 00:54:36 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Patt" Subject: Re: The Nature of this List In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 9 Dec 1991 21:06:00 CDT from Thank you, Janie...I hope your points are given serious consideration. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1991 01:02:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: RE: The Nature of this List I'd like to try to respond to some of the concerns Janie Johnson has raised about the nature of WMST-L in her very thoughtful recent message to the list. Janie says that she feels reluctant to post messages about women's studies out of fear of cluttering people's mailboxes. She suggests splitting WMST-L into two lists, one for announcements and one for discussion. Though I appreciate her concern for mailbox clutter, I think to some degree both her concern and her suggested solution arise from a misunderstanding of WMST-L's purpose. WMST-L is not and never has been intended just for announcements, and I think relatively few people would want such a list (including most of those who complain about clutter) . Announcements are one important function that WMST-L was set up to serve, but so too is discussion of Women's Studies teaching, research, and program administration. No one wanting to discuss these issues should be afraid to do so for fear of creating "clutter." (The one exception is that if what you want to say is really directed primarily at one person and is unlikely to be of broader interest, you should send your message privately, not via WMST-L.) What doesn't belong on WMST-L is discussion of gender-related societal problems, male/female relations, etc. Lists like FEMAIL, GENDER, and others already exist for just such discussion. If these are the issues Janie wants to set up a second list to discuss, there's no need to do so--such lists already exist. I subscribe to them, as do a number of other WMST-L readers. They offer the "safe place" Janie quite rightly wants. But those lists include little or no discussion of Women's Studies teaching, research, and program administration. That's why WMST-L was established. The existence of lists with separate missions provides all of us with a maximum degree of control and choice: we can tailor our subscriptions to meet our needs and our time constraints. The mention of "time constraints" brings me to another point. Janie wonders whether the absence of extensive serious discussion on WMST-L results from people's being reluctant to post messages to the list. I too have noticed the relative absence of lengthy intellectual debate, but I don't think that Janie offers the primary explanation. Indeed, people seemed all too ready to post messages to the list about the Neiman-Marcus cookies, even when they were simply repeating what had already been said. But those messages were short, and that, I think, may be a crucial factor. My impression is that WMST-L seems to be most successful in dealing with the exchange of information (teaching strategies, recommended readings, etc.), less successful in generating intellectual discussion. I suspect that many of us are often simply too busy to devote a lot of time to long, serious e-mail discussions. I know that there have been a number of postings that I saved for a while, hoping to find time to respond at length. Finally, I simply deleted them. My life before e-mail was already more busy than I could handle, and I don't think I'm unusual, especially among Women's Studies people. It's now almost 1 a.m. where I live, and I've long since turned into a pumpkin. I should probably save this on my computer until I have time to think about what I've said and see whether it makes sense. But that sort of time is a luxury I don't have, especially now as the semester is coming to an end. So I'll ship this off and dream of WMST-L. Goodnight, all. Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1991 02:37:43 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Allan Hunter Subject: Re: The Nature of this List In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 9 Dec 1991 21:06:00 CDT from Thank you! :-) allan ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1991 08:04:21 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ethel Tobach Subject: Columbus, women and network communication Thanks to Joan, Janie and the others shedding light on the type of com- munication we might have on wmst-L. I welcome all that I have seen. It is a very simple matter to scan and purge (as my menu calls it), and also save and print out meaningful (to me) material that I expect to use some day. I think the query by Mike Keenan exemplifies one of the most sig- nificant aspects of the network. There is no aspect of the history of the human species that does not have value for those of us who are study- ing the history of women (history here used in the sense of an ongoing process of societal and social change so that we are concerned with the past, present and future...a strong activist representation for me). The history of the cultures that were extant at the time of European impact is rich with information about the position of women in those cultures... and how that was changed in the process of European acculturation. (See Eleanor Leacock's germinal studies of the Labrador population...especially in relation to women). The difference between the ways in which women and their supposed "biological" role in society and the differences among the Europeans and those people who were already living here as defined by "race" (this came much later; abut the inferiority of the people {savages} on these continents as contrasted with the Europeans who came here is also something that we must analyze and understand. Sexism and racism have much in common but their explications are very different; the period of slavery in the USA is one of the best examples for studying this. Here too there is a rich literature (the comment about finding things in libraries was delicious!). KNowing the history of these processes might help us to find a way to analyze and develop constructive policies in regard to such complex matters as the pitting of women against minorities in imple- menting affirmative action programs; in understanding the Thomas-Hill events; in the problem of the "whiteness" of the women's movements, etc. The 500 years since Columbus have much to tell us...especially about the world as it was before, as it is today and as we want to make it tomorrow. To the network if I don't get back to it in time: Happy Holidays...and may the special honor we pay to a special woman at this time be an inspir- ation for making the world a better place for all women and men everywhere. Ethel Tobach (new address: ettgc@cunyvms.1) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1991 09:10:29 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: KMARCH@MAINE.BITNET Subject: Columbus and women One area I have found interesting for the Columbus/women relationship is the wh ole business of Amazons in the New World. A colleague in Classics got me start ed on it, and we have done collaborative work (I am a Spanish professor). Thes e warrior women, whom CC never saw, but affirmed were residing on Matutino Isla nd (Martinique???) then became the object of search for countless men, Spanish and of other nationalities, who needed to know there were some strong women in these new lands that were worth conquering [sic]. There are fascinating studie s, in fact, on America AS Amazon, and curiously enough, there is a difference b etween the concept of North America and that of South America. We are still wo rking on this project. Hopefully, the relationship between God, Gold, Glory an d Gals (please do not misinterpret this term, it does not express my perspectiv e!) will become progressively clearer. Anyway, Columbus really started somethi ng, even if a leaky ship and inclement weather prevented him from actually find ing the women in question... Regards and Great Holidays. Kathleen March ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1991 09:16:00 MST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "ELIZABETH HERR 'HERR_B@CUBLDR.Colorado.EDU'" Subject: Re: The Nature of this List I wish to second Janie's comment about this list. I personally have felt very uplifted and humoured by the short "cookie-digression". This list is by far the most useful and supportive of the ones I have seen in the gender area. Please keep up the good work, I definitely don't mind a few cookie-crumbs. I have used this list as a passive reader to help me get a bibliography for my doctoral dissertation together, and I have been very well served. Thank you all for being out there ! Elizabeth Herr ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1991 09:58:16 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary Kay Schleiter Subject: columbus The Columbus exploits can be analyzed from a women's studies perspective. As far as I know, there were no women on the Nina, the Pinta, or the Santa Maria. Although I don't know much Spanish, all three ships have feminine-sounding names. Ships, I believe, are thought of as feminine. Imagery is important here. The men steared the ships to conquer a new land and take their gold. People were murdered in large numbers in order to subdue the native community. Women were raped. No descendants from the oridginal native community survive on the islands Columbus landed on. The whole idea of conquest and domination came from a patriarchal mind set. Mary Kay Schleiter mks@cs.uwp.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1991 11:45:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: PLAUTER@TRINCC.BITNET Subject: Renaissance/new world/ feminist studies Inspired by Ethel Tobach's message: do people have particularly useful examples of work published (books or articles) in Renaissance cultural studies from a feminist standpoint that focuses on the new world? I have in mind work like that of Stephen Jay Greenblatt in Marvellous Possessions. Paul Lauter Bitnet: plauter@tncc ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1991 12:06:47 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Robert A. Dunne" Subject: RE: Renaissance/new world/ feminist studies I believe Suzanne Gossett, of Loyola Chicago, is addressing late medieval/early renaissance culture from feminist perspectives at MLA this month. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1991 14:00:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: USRNAME Subject: RE: Affirmative Action Nancy, I don't have the information you are looking for regarding affirmative action but what I have been trying to say regarding Susan Bordo's essay is that it is the last chapter of her book on Descartes. What I have from her is a clean, double spaced etc' copy of it. Is that what you want? Ami. My address is AMI@BINGVAXA we are on BITNET ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1991 14:05:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: BMARANTZ@SNYESCVA.BITNET Subject: RE: The Nature of this List Thanks, Janie -- I did appreciate your argument -- and agree, we all have the ability to delete a message before reading. That the discussion issues surface and survive (eg: women's mental health, toys and gender identity) suggests many want them. One vote here for a balance . ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1991 14:09:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: USRNAME Subject: Re: Practice Random Kindness and Senseless Acts of Beauty Thanks for the reference. Are you, by any chance a friend of Hortensia Amaro? I think she gave your address to a friend of mine and somehow the name stuck with me.If Yes, nice to have made your acquaintance through this bizzar electronic mail. If not, ? (I don't know what to say here. Ami.) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1991 14:06:56 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2 From: "Leonard P. Hirsch" Subject: columbus In-Reply-To: note of 12/10/91 11:30 From: Leonard P. Hirsch Office of International Relations/Q-3123 (202) 357-4788 While the concepts of conquest and ownership are patriarchal and need to be seen in this light, much of the discussion of of women and the Columbian encounter go beyond the plight of the women to our understanding of history and the reinterpretation of indigenous populations, their civilizations and relationships. All of the descriptions of the native populations were given by European men who had extraordinarily patriarchal world views. Evidence is now being reexamined and finding that the native populations were more diverse and certainly, more matriarchal than believed. In the quincentennial discourse, the role of women, feminist scholarship, and gender/race/class structures is quite prominent and should be very germane to women's studies classes this coming year. +-----------------------------------------------------+ | Leonard Hirsch (202) 357-4788/FAX (202)786-2557 | | Smithsonian Institution BITNET INCEM005@SIVM | +-----------------------------------------------------+ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1991 14:47:31 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Robert A. Dunne" Subject: RE: columbus ---And perhaps another angle which feminist perspectives can pursue is the role of the person who sent Columbus: Queen Isabella. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1991 14:51:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: RE: The Nature of this List A few minutes ago, Barbara Marantz sent the following message to WMST-L: > Thanks, Janie -- I did appreciate your argument -- and agree, we all have > the ability to delete a message before reading. That the discussion > issues surface and survive (eg: women's mental health, toys and gender > identity) suggests many want them. One vote here for a balance > . Many people do want discussion of such issues, and many others do not. The arrangement I've proposed permits both kinds of people to be satisfied. Those who want such discussions can have them--by subscribing to FEMAIL, to GENDER, and/or to any other the other lists mentioned in the User's Guide. I frankly don't think it's either fair or considerate to force many people who DON'T want such discussions to have to receive them, especially when so simple a solution exists. As listowner, I've heard from large numbers of people who can access e-mail only at work, when they have limited time to read messages. I've also heard from people who have very small allocations of e-mail space and want to be able to choose the kinds of messages they receive, as well as from people who use e-mail for lots of work-related correspondence and can't afford to have large numbers of other sorts of messages cluttering their mail files. And I've also heard from people who simply want only the kinds of messages WMST-L was set up to carry, messages about Women's Studies teaching, research, and program administration. I think that all these people deserve consideration, especially, as I say, when it's so easy for all of us to have our needs met. So please, those of you like Janie and Barbara who want both kinds of discussions--please subscribe to the lists that have been set up for just such discussions. If you subscribe to them AND to WMST-L, you'll have the "balance" for which Barbara casts her vote, without impinging on others whose needs are different from yours. Many thanks. Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1991 20:30:33 GMT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: SLD14@PHOENIX.CAMBRIDGE.AC.UK Subject: Re: [The Nature of this List] In-Reply-To: -unspecified- Thanks, Janie. , for saying what wyouve've said. I gcouldnt ag't agree more. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1991 18:35:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Helen M. Raisz/Institute of Gerontology" Subject: RE: upcoming conferences query Here again is a problem replying to an individual, not to the list. I tried to reach keenan@gw.wmich.edu, which is not a bitnet, but an internet address? please use the complete address, eg.bitnet or internet or whatever. Anyway, I think probably the NWSA could tell you about conferences on Columbus and Women. I'm sure the position of women was one of the first factors to change when the indigenous populations were "Westernized" by 15th century Spaniards. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1991 20:30:39 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: NBLACK@VM2.YORKU.CA Subject: conference: mainstreaming Today among my massive list of messages there was one querying about women's studies conferences in the spring. We have organized a one-day conference tentatively called "Falling off the blackboard: incorporating lesbian studies in the mainstream curriculum." Date: February 29, 1992. Place: York University in Toronto. Keynote speaker: Minnie Bruce Pratt. It's a bit remote I imagine for most users of this bulletin board, but we would appreciate hearing from anyone who would like more information or, possibly more to the point, from anyone who is involved in this sort of mainstreaming effort. It obviously grows out of and is related to women's studies, and is part of a larger (?) effort to incorporate into the existing curriculum the new perspectives and information that comes out of studying women. Material on lesbians is the extreme example, we think, of the sort of difficult and marginalized material that we want NOT to ghettoize (though without women's studies we will never manage to develop it). Thank you for your help. This is my first intervention here and I look forward to any responses. Naomi Black (tel: 416- 463-9252) bitnet nblack@yorkvm2 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1991 21:18:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Arnie Kahn Subject: Grading It's been a strange day or two on WMST-L with lots of messages about what messages should be about. I thought I'd give an interesting response I received on a final exam. In social psychology we talk about race and gender at the end. I spent a lot of time discussing language and discussed how language often shapes rather than reflects reality. Among other things, we discussed words we use to refer to females and males, and how frequently the euphemism, "lady," is used for "woman," while "gentleman" is rarely used for "man." On the exam I asked, "What is the euphemism for "woman?" One student who clearly was not in class and does not know what euphemism means replied, "Bitch." I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Arnie Kahn fac_askahn@jmuvax (bitnet) fac_askahn@vax1.acs.jmu.edu (internet) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1991 21:22:22 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: VILLERS@OUACCVMB.BITNET Subject: Columbus There were a number of objectives to the travels of Columbus. In the first place, he did not set out to conquer since he had no idea there was anything left available. He went there to find a new route for the spice trade which in turn would help Spain make money. Spain was pretty much bankrupt at the time. The conquest happened once the Spaniards realized that what they had found was not known to them. Gold became an obsession once they realized there was lots of it to be had. Women, inevitably, became casualties of the conquest. There was also the search for the garden of eden especially since they hadn't found it in Africa. There are many good history books and novels in Spanish dealing with this period. Please check them out.There is also the question of syphilis and who gave it to whom. Anne Villers (Villers@ouaccvmb.bitnet) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1991 22:09:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "NAME'Janice M. Bogstad'" Subject: Re: Columbus and women kathleen March's message on Amazon women in teh new workd fits in with some work I am doing right now - on the history of amazon myth and its use as it relates to some newer science fiction, like THE GATE TO WOMEN'S COUNTRY. I did read an excellent book on the topic of amazon myth called "The War With the Amazons " or "The War Against the Amazons" but one dissertation director, a classicist, tells me that this is not very respectable or accurate. Is anyone else familiar with this book and can you offer me any defense of its theses, esp. with regard to Amazons as representative of barbarian forces and Amazons as lures to the new world? My address is Bogstajm@uwed.edu. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1991 09:51:19 GMT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: C.G.Perriam@DURHAM.AC.UK Subject: Re: Cookies and Random Acts There's a certain amount of Same here in England! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1991 07:09:00 MDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "JANIS BOHAN (556-3088/3205, MSC BOX 54)" Subject: RE: Columbus, women and network communication Ethel -- This is not really a reply to this particular message, but to the message you sent me earlier -- which my system seems to have eaten, even as I was posting a reply to it. Re: GS Hall, APA, etc. It's already Wed, and the deadline you name is Thursday (for an abstract for current round of APA proposals), so this discussion may be moot for the time. I'd enjoy playing around with such a panel (I think I understnd it would be about APA's avoiding uncomfortable information, misogynist tid-bits, etc.), but I'm in real time crunch just now. I also must admit to some seriously ambivalent feelings about APA conferences. I went this year (for the first time in several years) and found it so alien an environment -- old boys to the teeth, power plays, posturing, pretention -- that I vowed to save my travel time and money for more congenial conferences (AWP, a small group of feminist educators I've discovered, etc). I could perhaps muster the strength to do APA again if it were for a good "cause" -- as I think this might be. But this year sounds impossible, time wise. If you're interested in pursiung it for the future, 'd be willing to discuss it. Who am I? A historian of psy, with a particular interest in women's place in the history of psy (hence the book), a strong feminist bent, isolated by those two things from most of my colleagues, hence thirsty for constact with others of like mind. I know your work, and it would be a pleasure to work with you on something like this -- or just to chat by EMAIL. Janis Bohan ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1991 09:18:44 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: rlbro%CONNCOLL.BITNET@YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU Subject: Re: Grading I have enjoyed the controversy lately over what should and should not be on this list--it has been a nice distraction from grading and other end of the semester pursuits. (The cookies were not that good....) Next semester, I am teaching my first Women's Studies course, entitled Judaism and Feminism. This is an area that I have been reading in for several years, and I decided that it was the most vital and interesting aspect of modern Judaic Studies. I have shown my syllabus around to various people (a series of "re-readings" from a wide range of perspectives, including Bloom--a woman wrote most of Genesis--and Tuebal--women are only alluded to, but not really constituents in, biblical literature--and others. So far, so good. Yesterday, however, I had two interesting encounters: first, I received the pre-registration for the course. Twelve students signed up, all women. Second, I mentioned this fact to one of my colleagues (in our Women's Studies program), and her response was that I will not be able to believe how different it will be to teach a class composed only of women students. I have read a little bit about such classroom dynamics (i.e., male professor, female students), but really don't know what to expect. Anyone have either some personal experience to share or some advice as I enter my first such class? Maybe some notion of what one's first Women's Studies class is like? I'll be interested in seeing what we as a group have experienced. Thanks in advance, Roger Brooks Religious Studies Connecticut College rbrooks@conncoll.bitnet or rlbro@conncoll.bitnet ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1991 09:39:47 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: TSTEUERN@KENTVM.BITNET Subject: gender and public policy I am interested in hearing about sources on gender and public policy, particularly those which deal with gender neutrality and special treatment. Thanks. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1991 09:23:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "wa0483@uokmvsa.bitnet" Subject: (COPY) A Psalm of Montreal (..this was posted on C18-L, regarding an ongoing discussion concerning a Goya nude (female) in a classroom which caused in-class disruption so the instructor (female) had it removed to a better location) "prudery?!"(last sentence) How convenient to so discretely trivialize and mislabel in the name of scholarship. Pam Doty, wa0483@uokmvsa.bitnet -------------------------TEXT-OF-FORWARDED-MAIL-------------------------------- >Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1991 04:47:15 PST >Sender: 18th Century Interdisciplinary Discussion > >From: John Sandys-Wunsch >Subject: A Psalm of Montreal The poem by Samuel Butler featured the Discobolus, an anatomically corrct and explicit statue of a Greek athlete (in fact a discus thrower). The poem is more than fifty years old and is a criticism of old fashioned prudery rather than the dismal modern variety we are all subject to (just try using "man" to denote the human species and you will find out what prudery is all about). ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1991 10:48:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: NJW@PSUVM.BITNET Subject: Re: gender and public policy In-Reply-To: TSTEUERN AT KENTVM.BITNET -- Wed, 11 Dec 1991 09:39:47 EST A book which is on my shelf but I haven't been able to get to yet is edited by Rebecca Grant and Kethleen Newland, called GENDER AND INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS, published by Indiana Universty Press in 1991. Nancy Wyatt njw@psuvm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1991 11:04:17 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Wayne J. Villemez" Subject: re: gender and public policy Try: DEFINING RAPE, Linda Bourque, 1989, Duke U. Press; REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS AND WRONGS, Betsy Hartmann, 1987, Harper&Row; and some of the chapters in THE POLITICS OF SOCIAL POLICY IN THE UNITED STATES, Margaret Weir,Ann Orloff,Theda Skocpol (eds.), 1988 Princeton U. Press. wjv ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1991 11:48:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: HENKING@HWS.BITNET Subject: Re: Grading i am trying to do some work on psychoanalysis, feminism and issues of race and wonder if anyone has bibliographical suggestions, especially linking psychoanalysis and race. i have read a few things -- including a piece in a recent book on kleinian psychological approaches. so.... anything on psychoanalysis and race (or racisim...)? susan (my direct email address, via bitnet is henking@hws) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1991 11:06:14 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sandra Basgall Subject: Re: gender and public policy There are a couple of excellent books by Kathleen Staudt. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1991 09:45:38 PST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: USERWMST@UBCMTSA.BITNET Subject: job postings The University of B.C., Vancouver Canada has positions available in the Women's Studies department for instructors for the 1992-93 session. Summer Session May 4-July 25th Women's Studies 222 "An Introduction to Women's Studies" Women's Studies 224 "Women in Literature" Instructors are also needed for the same courses Winter Session September 1992-April 1993 Anyone interested should contact me for more details. This is directed in the first instance to Canadian citizens or permanent residents. jo hinchliffe wmst@ubca.mts.ca ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1991 13:54:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: KINNEY@UNCG.BITNET Subject: nomail set wmst-l nomail I will be away from campus and unable to view my mail from 12/14/91 to 1/20/91. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1991 16:23:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: USRNAME Subject: RE: Grading laugh. anyone has ideas about explaining laughter as a response to "politically incorrect" jokes by those of us who are supposed to know better? one theoretical candidate i was offered was Freudean - a spasmatic response of the repressed.alternatives? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1991 16:30:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: USRNAME Subject: RE: gender and public policy There are several books on gender and public policy. Are you looking for references? AMI@BINGVAXA.BITNET ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1991 15:44:00 MST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "ELIZABETH HERR 'HERR_B@CUBLDR.Colorado.EDU'" Subject: Re: gender and public policy As far as economic policy on wages and treatment of women - ie:comparable worth, and the whole "equal work for equal pay" question is concerned, one good source is: Heidi Hartmann National Research Council Committee on Women's Employment and Related Social Issues. she has written extensively on these issues in the 1980s ANother book, though not in economics is : Susan Moller Okin; 1989 Justice, gender and the family I hope these help. I too would be interested in teh complete list, once you have it. Good Luck, Elizabeth Herr ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1991 15:45:00 MST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "LAURA BORDER BORDER_L@CUBLDR.COLORADO.EDU" Subject: Re: nomail who is this message from???? Laura Border ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1991 15:50:00 MST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "ELIZABETH HERR 'HERR_B@CUBLDR.Colorado.EDU'" Subject: Re: gender and public policy I thought of two more sources: Marilyn Waring; 1988 If Women Counted:a new feminist economics. Harper Collins - this deals with how women's works does not end up being counted in GNP statistics for the most part, especially not in third world countries Women in the World Economy; by INSTRAW- UN international research and training institute for the advancement of women. 1987. Oxford press Elizabeth Herr ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1991 16:28:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: UAHSEF01@UAHVAX1.BITNET Subject: Cookie Clutter In a highly scientific study conducted by the UAH Women's reading and discussion group: 7 out of 7 feminists agreed that the Nieman Marcus (or whatever) cookies were delicious. ] Susan UAHSEF01@UAHVAX1 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1991 20:12:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Arnie Kahn Subject: a class composed only of women students >Twelve students signed up, all women. >Second, I mentioned this fact to one of my colleagues (in our Women's >Studies program), and her response was that I will not be able to believe >how different it will be to teach a class composed only of women students. >I have read a little bit about such classroom dynamics (i.e., male professor, >female students), but really don't know what to expect. Roger and others, My experience is that your colleague is wrong. Most of the difference between an all-female, all-male, or mixed-sex classes is in the behavior of the instructor. Students react to messages the instructor gives. If you teach as "THE" authority, most students will be deferential, but occasionally challenge you. If you let them take charge I think you might find some sex of student effects--my experience is that female students are more likely to be more open and more personal. Could you send me a copy of your syllabus either by email or postal service? Or better still, send it to Joan Korenman and have it available to anyone via listserv@umdd. Arnie Kahn fac_askahn@jmuvax (bitnet) fac_askahn@vax1.acs.jmu.edu (internet) Department of Psychology James Madison U. Harrisonburg, VA 22807 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1991 17:18:07 PST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Holly Subject: Re: Grading In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 11 Dec 1991 09:18:44 -0500 from Can I get a copy of the course outline and reading list for the Judaism and Feminism course? Thanks, Holly Devor HHDD@UVVM.UVIC.CA ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1991 20:33:44 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Frank Dane Subject: RE: Grading In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 11 Dec 1991 16:23:00 EST from Modern racism (Kinder & Sears, 1981; explanations/treatments can be found in most any social psychology textbook) would posit that the laughter is an attempt to "cover" the fact that the politically incorrect joke has primed beliefs that remain in the person's attitude structure that are actually consistent with the joke. The laughter, then, comprises a response to those beliefs that reflect an effort on the part of the individual to relegate those beliefs to triviality. The essential notion that many (all?) of us know about stereotypes and prejudicial beliefs, and the mere activation of those beliefs produce some concern over their existence (even if the person no longer holds such beliefs to be true). For those who do hold such beliefs to be true--the modern rac/sex/ethnist--the joke context enables the individual to act on socially incorrect beliefs in a socially appropriate context. Thus, both those who are better and those who only want to appear to be better are likely to laugh at inappropriate jokes, but for very different reasons. Those who know better may laugh to ensure the (sincere) belief that "it was only a joke" while those who are X'ists laugh because it's safe to act upon their stereotypes/prejudice in that particular situation. One might detect differences between the two groups in responses to "jokes" that seem not to be meant as jokes. Those who know better should not laugh, modern X'ists would. Francis C. Dane, Assoc. Prof. & Chair Department of Pschology, Mercer University Macon, GA 31207-0001 USA FDANE@UGA.BITNET ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1991 18:11:15 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Susan Ervin-Tripp W O M E N A N D L A N G U A G E C O N F E R E N C E Berkeley, California April 4-5 1992 Focusing primarily on definitions of LINGUISTIC POWER, the conference will explore the possibility of forging a closer connection between feminist theory and language-based research. The organizers welcome papers which propose new definitions of linguistic power and which analyze the workings of power in discourse. Interdisciplinary papers which address the intersection of gender, race, and class in language use are particularly welcome. We will explore the question of whether feminist theoretical approaches can be integrated into present linguistic models or whether we instead need to reorient existing parameters of linguistic analysis. ABSTRACTS DEADLINE: February 5, 1992. Contact: Women and Language Conference Organizers; 2337 Dwinelle Hall, Department of Linguistics Tel: 510-642-2757 University of Berkeley E-mail: khall@garnet.berkeley.edu Berkeley CA 94720. Registration fees: Before March 20, 1992: $10 students; $15 non-students. After March 20, 1992: $15 students, $20 non-students. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1991 08:08:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: NJW@PSUVM.BITNET Subject: Re: gender and public policy In-Reply-To: WMST-L AT UMDD.BITNET -- Wed, 11 Dec 1991 15:44:00 MST An excellent treatment of women and economics that addresses international issues is IF WOMEN COUNTED by Marilyn Waring. Nancy Wyatt njw@psuvm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1991 08:50:22 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ethel Tobach Subject: RE: Columbus, women and network communication In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 11 Dec 1991 07:09:00 MDT from I am so glad you wrote. I agree with you..I woke up too late. However, let's continue to discuss possibilities...I resonate to your unhappiness with "professional" meetings...the one place in which there is a chance for things to be different is in Division 35...In connection with another issue in which I am involved, we were talking about having a think tank with people from social, i/o, political psych, spssi to discuss how to organize a campaign to counteract anti-science activities in the media... I have also been interested in doing that in relation to sociobiology es- pecially around the way rape is handled...there is already such a task force on sociobiology, politics and feminist psychology and we are having some difficulty turning our deeply felt criticisms of sociobiology, the APA's tacit approval of it, and how to combat it. I think that we should have a think tank like the one described above with members of Division 35 who are experts in those fields. You as a historian have a very special contribution...I am a firm believer in knowing the history so one can cut down on the possibility of making mistakes and reinventing the wheel. What do you think? Ethel ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1991 09:26:27 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: RB2000@RCN.BITNET Subject: Am. Native Women In-Reply-To: job postings <911211125714.00130BB0.AAAL.BB@BOOLE.RCC.RCN.EDU> Anyone know of publications and undergrsduate or graduate programs on Native American Women? I've had student inquiries on same. Thanks for any help. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1991 09:48:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: GCARR@FLINT.BUCKNELL.EDU Subject: psychoanalysis and race This note is in response to Susan Henking's request for information on psychoanalysis and race. I, too, have been doing work in this area and would appreciate that postings sent to her also be sent to me (or to the list). A good starting point for me in this area has been Harry Kitano's overview entitled Race Relations, 4th ed., Prentice-Hall, 1991. In Kitano's first chapter, "Major Issues," he discusses differing perspectives from the fields of history, psychiatry, psychology, and social work--which focus on individual conscious and unconscious desires, ambitions, etc--and sociology and social psychology which focus on the ways institutions construct those desires. Good bibliography here. I also value Franz Fanon's discussions of race--he's a psychoanalyst-- from a post-colonial perspective in Wretched of the Earth and Black Skins, White Masks. The new book, Afro-American Literary Studies in the 1990s (the name of the editor escapes me at the moment and the book is at home--I think it is Houston Baker, Jr.) has a unit on psychoanalysis and biography. The responses to the main essay include feminist perspectives. Also Jane Gaines has some excellent published essays on psychoanalysis and film studies. She is highly critical of psychoanalysis and claims that feminist theory of "the gaze" does not reveal much about black women as the object of that gaze. Also, Hortense Spillers' work is all relevant. Glynis Carr, Dept. English, Bucknell University, Lewisburg PA 17837 gcarr@bucknell.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1991 10:03:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: RHODA UNGER Subject: RE: psychoanalysis and race It was not clear from the query whether info is wanted on psychoanalysis and race from a theoretical or empirical perspective. There has been some good recent work on race and ethnicity issues in psychological diagnosis and treatment although all of it is not about psychoanalysis. Some of the best sources are: Brown & Root (Eds.) (1990). Diversity and complexity in feminist therapy. N.Y.: Harrington Park Press. Lerman & Porter (Eds.) (1990). Feminist ethics in psychotherapy. N.Y.: Springer (you may also want to look at Hannah Lerman's earlier book "The mote in Freud's eye). R. Lakoff (1990). Talking power: The politics of language. N. Y.: Basic Books (has an excellent analysis of the Dora case looking at Freud's language in his notes about male and female patients). Hope Landrine is a psychologist at U. California at San Bernardino who has published a number of intriguing articles on racist and classist biases in psychotherapy and is working on a book involving multicultural perspectives. I don't know much more about it, but you might contact her. Rhoda Unger unger@apollo.montclair.edu Internet ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1991 10:23:52 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: TSTEUERN@KENTVM.BITNET Subject: gender and public policy Thanks to all of you who responded to my request for sources on gender and public policy. I realize I wasn't particularly specific, actually I wasn't specific at all, but I'll try to be a bit more precise this time. I am working on an article on how gender has been treated in the public policy arena. It seems to me that historically there have been two main approaches, to argue for gender neutrality, i.e. not to consider gender, or to argue for special or differential treatment. I am interested in sources relevant to these issues. Thanks again. Trudy Steuernagel, Political Science and Women's Studies, Kent State, tsteuern@kentvm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1991 10:48:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Phyllis Holman Weisbard Subject: Re: Am. Native Women The office of Women's Studies Librarian of the University of Wisconsin System has just published a 202 p. annotated bibliography on "Women, Race, and Ethnicity" which includes hundreds of citations concerning Native American women. The bibliography is divided into 29 subjects that are each sub-divided by race/ethnicity. Copies may be ordered for $7.35 each (price includes Wis. sta te tax; out-of-state = $7.00; U-Wis. affiliated on internal requisition form = $4.87) from: University of Wisconsin System Women's Studies Librarian, Room 430 Memorial Library, 728 State Street, Madison, Wisconsin 53706. If you would like further details about the publication, you can also contact me, Phyllis Holman Weisbard, Acting Women's Studies Librarian, pweis@macc.wisc.edu. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1991 12:39:49 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Patt McRae" Subject: Effects of evangelical movement on women in latin america I have a student who is doing her senior thesis on evangelical movements in Latin America; specifically these groups effects on women and what, it any, politicizing effects it may have. Any bibliographic suggestions would be appreciated. Patt McRAe Government and International Studies University of South Carolina Columbia, S.C. 29208 T350134@UNIVSCVM ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1991 11:41:35 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: RPARLIN@NEPTUNE.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: gender and public policy > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1991 10:23:52 EST > Reply-to: Women's Studies List > From: TSTEUERN@kentvm.bitnet > Subject: gender and public policy > To: Ruth Parlin > Thanks to all of you who responded to my request for sources on gender > and public policy. I realize I wasn't particularly specific, actually I wasn't > specific at all, but I'll try to be a bit more precise this time. I am working > tsteuern@kentvm > The following law review articles might prove useful; lots of footnotes, if nothing else. Villmoare, Women, differences, and rights as practices: an interpretive essay and a proposal, 25 Law & Society Review 385-410 (1991) Bender, From gender difference to feminist solidarity: using Carol Gilligan and an ethic of care in law, 15 Vermont Law Review 1- 48 (1991) Epstein, Faulty framework: consequences of the difference model for women in the law, 35 New York Law School Law Review 309-336 (1990) Fineman, Challenging law, establishing differences: the future of feminist legal scholarship, 42 Florida Law Review 25-43 (1990) Gunning, Women, rights, and difference (Great Britain), 9 Liverpool Law Review 133-155 (1987) Cole, Strategies of difference: litigating for women's rights in a man's world, 2 Law & Inequality 33-96 (1984) When in doubt, ask a librarian! Good luck, Ruth Parlin rparlin@neptune.uark.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1991 16:49:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: BMARSHALL@TRENTU.CA Subject: Mothers and Daughters I am making this request for a colleague not on the list. She is doing research on mother - daughter business relationships and is looking for more general references on the mother-daughter relationship. If you can suggest anything, please respond to me (bmarshall@trentu.ca) and I will pass suggestions on, or send to Prof. Kathy Campbell, Administrative and Policy Studies, Trent University, Peterborough, Ontario, Canada K9J 7B8. Thanks. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1991 19:09:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: FAHMIDA@CHVAX.DNET.LSU.EDU Subject: Re: THE POLITICS OF 1ST PERSON SINGULAR CAPS Did you know that in Russian language every word has a gender, and the word for 'MAN' (myzhshinna) is feminine ? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1991 21:22:04 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: elizabeth bounds Subject: Re: Effects of evangelical movement on women in latin america In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 12 Dec 1991 12:39:49 EST from This is a quick reply so it won't be exact. The NACLA journal published a serie s of articles by Deborah Huntingdon on conservative movements in Latin America (probably written in the early to mid eighties, NACLA stands for North American Committee on Latin America). There is a more recent book by Ana Maria Echevarr ia called something like Neo-conservative Movements and Ideology in Latin Ameri ca (published by CIRCUS--not a mainstream publisher!!) I have this book at home so let me know if you can't find a reference. Elizabeth Bounds bounds@vtvm1.cc.vt.ed u ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1991 20:56:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: EAKAUF@INDSVAX1.BITNET Subject: Re: Columbus, women and network communication Pardon me for evesdropping, but wouldn't it be wise to include some of us media types who teach the future journalists of the world? Sue Kaufman EAKAUF@INDSVAX1.Bitnet Sue Kaufman EAKAUF@INDSVAX1.Bitnet ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1991 09:08:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Stopping WMST-L Mail The holiday season is almost upon us. Some people will probably be travelling during this period and will thus be away from their computers. It is important not to let mail accumulate to the point where you exceed your system's space allocation. If that happens, not only will your mail bounce, but on some systems just one person's excessive mail accumulation can disable the entire system! (I'm told this is particularly a problem with IBM mainframes.) So if you're going to be away for a while, it would probably be wise to stop your mail temporarily unless you know from experience that your space allocation is large enough to accommodate the mail you'll receive. To stop WMST-L mail while you're away, send the following message to LISTSERV@UMDD (if your subscription is under your Bitnet address) or LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU (if you subscribed under your Internet address): SET WMST-L NOMAIL When you want mail to start again, send the following message to the same address: SET WMST-L MAIL. =======> DO NOT SEND THESE MESSAGES TO WMST-L!!! <======== Please note that if you subscribed under a Bitnet address, you MUST send your message to LISTSERV@UMDD. If you send it to LISTSERV's Internet address, the software won't recognize you and will tell you you're not a WMST-L subscriber. The same principle applies to Internet subscriptions--all messages MUST be sent to LISTSERV's Internet address, LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU. If you have questions, I'll be happy to try to answer them, but please write to me privately, not via WMST-L. Best wishes for a very happy holiday season and a happy, healthy, and peaceful New Year. Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1991 09:12:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: TLORRAIN@ROLLINS.BITNET Subject: Teaching Modern Philosophy I have a query for my fellow wmst-l people. I am teaching a course on the history of modern philosophy in the spring (Descartes--mid-17th c. to Kant--late18th c.)and I've already been asked by one student what women I'm going to cover in the course. Trouble is, I don't know! Can anyone out there give me any help? Linda--if you're out there, can you give me any suggestions? Thanks and happy holidays Tamsin Lorraine Rollins College TLORRAIN@ROLLINS ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1991 10:54:27 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ethel Tobach Subject: Re: Columbus, women and network communication In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 12 Dec 1991 20:56:00 EST from I amsending this on the network because I hope that people will vote to make our material accessible to journalists and give us an opportunity to learn from them. One of the most troubling aspects of feminist act- ivity is the garbage that gets printed in the media, presented on TV, and on the radio to which we never get an opportunity to respond. I have given talks to the Science Writers of America (name?) urging them to become knowledgeable about the differences among scientifically valid/reliable information; pseudoscience; and where the controversies are in regard to different issues. I have never seen that what I did then had any effect. In the only course I ever taught on psychology of women, we had a class project in which the class wrote a critical letter re an article published by a New York newspaper on rape by Cam- ille Paglia (intended to develop collective work in the class)...of course the letter was not published (although signed by 25 students) and of course this was found out sufficiently late in the term so no further development of the project could take place. I would like to be able to learn something about the process and how we can do something constructive about the media problems we face. Ethel Tobach ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1991 11:54:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Answering received message From: GCARR@BUCKNELL.BITNET Subject: Teresa Ebert In-Reply-To: <01GDLNUXMP2C0003AH@coral.bucknell.edu> This note is in response to Al Cardinale's invitation to read and discuss Teresa Ebert's latest essay in College English. I have copied the article from the library and have only had time to read the introduction. I am very excited about her announced project "to rearticulate some of the main theoretical concepts of contemporary feminism in a more available language" because they are crucial to feminist activism in the 1990s. But before I really sink my teeth into what I expect will be a marvelous essay, I have a question: why do you raise the issue of "the need to create a more egalitarian environment"? Do you think some lack of egalitarianism is a problem in Ebert's work? Or do you think that theoretical language is not egalitarian? I'm extremely interested in logging on next week (I'm going to steal time from grading . . . ) to discuss this essay and I want my response to address your concern. I'm posting this to the list, instead of responding solely to Al Cardinale because I believe the problem of language and accessibility is a serious one in feminist theory and activism and I want others who teach feminist theory to engage Ebert's work and this issue. Glynis Carr, Dept. English, Bucknell University, Lewisburg PA 17837 gcarr@bucknell.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1991 11:53:58 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beth Rushing Subject: Re: Teaching Modern Philosophy In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 13 Dec 1991 09:12:00 EST from Re what women to teach in a history of modern phil class: Susan Bordo's work on Descartes is good Also, pairing Mary Wollstonecraft's Rights and Vindications... with Rousseau's Emile works well. Hope this helps. Beth Rushing (NRUSHING@KENTVM) Sociology Kent State Univ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1991 09:31:36 PST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Bernice Lacks Subject: Native American Women December 13, 1991 There is an important new resource for information on Native American Women. It is: AMERICAN INDIAN WOMEN : A GUIDE TO RESEARCH, by Gretchen M. Bataille and Kathleen M. Sands. Garland, 1991. It is an annotated bibliography of "scholarly and literary work by and about Indian women in the US and Canada." An older source is Rayna Green's NATIVE AMERICAN WOMEN : A CONTEXTUAL BIBLIOGRAPHY, which was published in 1983. Bernice Lacks California State University, Fresno Bernicel@zimmer.CSUFresno.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1991 11:37:30 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Johnston,Amy" SET WMST-L NOMAIL ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1991 12:40:39 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "patt" Subject: Re: Teresa Ebert In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 13 Dec 1991 11:54:00 EST from Is there any way Teresa's essay could be posted to the List? Sounds very appropo indeed. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1991 13:18:02 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Julien S. Murphy" Subject: Modern Philosophy Suggestions In-Reply-To: Teaching Modern Philosophy Suggestions: Susan Bordo's FLIGHT FROM OBJECTIVITY, Carolyn Merchant's Death OF NATURE, Susan Griffin's WOMEN AND NATURE, Foucault MADNESS AND CIVILIZATION. Holiday wishes to Tamsin and everyone! Julien Murphy (JMURPHY@MAINE) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1991 14:27:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Women in Computer Science Ellen Spertus, a graduate student in Computer Science at MIT, has written a lengthy report entitled "Why are There So Few Female Computer Scientists?" A copy of that report is now in the WMST-L filelist under the name COMPUTER SCIENCE. Interested people can try to retrieve the report (by sending a message to LISTSERV@UMDD or @UMDD.UMD.EDU that says GET COMPUTER SCIENCE WMST-L), but please be aware that it is a VERY large file: the filelist lists it at 7881 lines, which apparently is > 600K. Printed out, it is 124 pages. You may find that it is too large for your allocated computer space. If that's the case, and you nonetheless want the report, you should talk to the computer support staff at your institution about how you can get around the space limitation. There are all sorts of possibilities, but they are system- and even institution-specific, so do talk to your computer people. (For the more technically knowledgeable, I should add that I have instructions for how one can retrieve more elegantly formatted versions via anonymous ftp in dvi format, compressed dvi format, and postscript format. Contact me privately if you want more information.) Here's a copy of the abstract: Women pursue education and careers in computer science far less frequently than men do. In 1990, only 13% of PhDs in computer science went to women, and only 7.8% of computer science professors were female. Additionally, the percentage of female computer science students appears to be increasing at only a slow rate or even decreasing. Apart from ethical con- cerns at women's lack of participation in computer science, the demographics of the country are such that the United States will not have enough engineers and scientists unless underrep- resented groups increase their participation. This report ex- amines the influences against a woman's pursuing a career in a technical field, particularly computer science. Such factors include the different ways in which boys and girls are raised, the stereotypes of female engineers, subtle biases that females face, problems resulting from working in predominantly male environments, and sexual biases in language. Finally, I discuss effective and ineffective ways to encourage women. A theme of the report is that women's underrepresentation is not primarily due to direct discrimination but to subconscious behavior that tends to perpetuate the status quo. Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1991 13:13:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: UAHEBP01@UAHVAX1.BITNET Subject: Re: Request for info on Native American Women From: ASNUAH::WINS%"dave@ratmandu.corp.sgi.com" 13-DEC-1991 10:37:59.48 To: UAHEBP01 CC: Subj: Re: Forwarded from Women's Studies List Return-Path: Received: from sgi.sgi.com by asnuah.asn.net with SMTP ; Fri, 13 Dec 91 09:37:47 CDT Received: from relay.sgi.com by sgi.sgi.com via SMTP (911016.SGI/910110.SGI) for uahebp01@asnuah.asn.net id AA08519; Fri, 13 Dec 91 08:36:06 -0800 Received: from relay.corp.sgi.com by relay.sgi.com via SMTP (911016.SGI/911001.S GI) for @sgi.sgi.com:uahebp01@asnuah.asn.net id AA19597; Fri, 13 Dec 91 08:3 6:04 -0800 Received: from ratmandu.corp.sgi.com by palladium.corp.sgi.com (5.52/900721.SGI) for @relay.sgi.com:uahebp01@asnuah.asn.net id AA07870; Fri, 13 Dec 91 08 :36:03 PST Received: by ratmandu.corp.sgi.com (911016.SGI/900721.SGI) for @palladium.corp.sgi.com:uahebp01@asnuah.asn.net id AA02316; Fri, 13 Dec 91 08:36:02 -0800 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 91 08:36:02 -0800 From: dave@ratmandu.corp.sgi.com (dave "who can do? ratmandu!" ratcliffe) Message-Id: <9112131636.AA02316@ratmandu.corp.sgi.com> To: uahebp01@asnuah.asn.net Subject: Re: Forwarded from Women's Studies List i'm sure you saw the following but if not, and even tho it's not actually a full-fledged program/publication.... Announcement of Conference: Indigenous California Women: VISIONING THE NEXT 500 YEARS UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA SANTA CRUZ, FEBRUARY 20-23, 1991 A gathering planned by and for land-based and urban Indian women whose tribes and bands are indigenous to the region of California. The purpose of the conference is to celebrate 500 years of survival, discuss common concerns, and to envision the next 500 years. California Indian women are planners, the workshop leaders and the speakers for all forums. The perspectives and concerns expressed will be those of the women indigenous to the region of California. Several of the sessions will be open to the public, and anyone may attend these open sessions. You need not to be Indian or a woman. You must come willing to put California Indian women at the center and place aside other perspectives, listening instead throughout this time their voices. In this way California Indian Women will be able to bring greater self-expression, insight, self-awareness and creativity to their own conference. Papers and presentation of proposals are due by 5PM on Monday, December 2, 1991. Include name, address, and contact phone number. * For more information contact: The Womyn's Center University of California Santa Cruz, CA 95064 (408)-459-2072 -- daveus rattus yer friendly neighborhood ratman KOYAANISQATSI ko.yan.nis.qatsi (from the Hopi Language) n. 1. crazy life. 2. life in turmoil. 3. life out of balance. 4. life disintegrating. 5. a state of life that calls for another way of living. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1991 15:45:59 GMT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Converted from OfficeVision to RFC822 by PUMP V2.2X From: "Linda Lopez McAlister/Hypatia" Subject: Teaching Modern Philosophy In-Reply-To: note of 12/13/91 09:58 *** Resending note of 12/13/91 10:14 To: WMST-L --CMSNAMES From: Linda Lopez McAlister/Hypatia Tamsin: Well, there's Mary Ellen Waithe's 4 volume series called A HISTORY OF WOMEN IN PHILOSOPHY, and three of the 4 volumes are out published by Kluwer. They are, however, ridiculuously expensive so you'd want Rollins to get them for the Library if they can. There is the HYPATIA special issue on Women in the History of Philosophy 4(1) 1989, and copies of that are available from Indiana University Press at a 40% discount for bookstores. Nancy Tuana is has just completed a book called Women and the History of Philosophy, I think it's for Paragon (?) and probably isn't out yet, but getting in touch with Nancy at U. Texas Dallas might be a good idea. She is also putting together a series called Re-Reading the Canon--collections of feminist articles about all the guys you usually read in history of philosophy--but again this is only in the works. I think it's Penn State Press that's doing this, but again, get in touch with Nancy. As for specific women to cover. There's Princess Elizabeth of Bohemia to go along with Descartes. The Open University in England used to sell a nice audio tape in which their correspondence was dramatized. In addition there is Anne Conway, Damaris Cudworth Masham, Anna Doyle Wheeler, and, of cour se, Wollstonecraft in the period you mention. Except for the latter it's hard to get your hands on the material, however. Gotta go give an exam now. Good luck. Linda LINDA LOPEZ McALISTER DLLAFAA@CFRVM.CFR.USF.EDU (Internet) Women's Studies Dept. DLLAFAA@CFRVM_(Bitnet) University of South Florida, Tampa 33620 (813)974-5531 #*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1991 16:22:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Answering received message From: GCARR@BUCKNELL.BITNET Subject: To post Teresa Ebert's essay to the list would certainly be a In-Reply-To: <01GE2CO9LHUO000J6Z@coral.bucknell.edu> To post Teresa Ebert's essay to the list would certainly be a violation of copyright. Doesn't your library get College English? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1991 16:33:03 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: VILLERS@OUACCVMB.BITNET Subject: philosophy I'm confused. Are you teaching about the history of philosophy or are you teaching philosophers? Anne Villers (villers@ouaccvmb.bitnet) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1991 16:36:26 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: BNL@NIHCU.BITNET Subject: Re: THE POLITICS OF 1ST PERSON SINGULAR CAPS re: words and gender. In Hebrew all the nouns are either male or female ( or maybe it should be masculine and feminine). Counting and numbers can also be masculine or feminine, depending on whot one is counting. Makes life very confusing for somebody trying to learn the language, especially in the native language was not gender specific (like english) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1991 16:27:59 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: jfetzer@UB.D.UMN.EDU Subject: THE THOMAS AFFAIR (fwd) Forwarded message: >From jfetzer Fri Dec 13 16:23:03 1991 From: jfetzer (james fetzer) Message-Id: <9112132222.AA20464@ub.d.umn.edu> Subject: THE THOMAS AFFAIR To: WMST-L@UMDD.bitnet Date: Fri, 13 Dec 91 16:22:42 CST Cc: jfetzer (james fetzer) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] ABUSING REASON TO ABUSE A WOMAN: A Baker's Dozen on the Thomas Hearing (Written on the Eve of its Adjournment) James H. Fetzer The subject known as "critical thinking" concerns the different ways in which we can make mistakes in reasoning in order to avoid being taken in by them when they occur or, perhaps, to commit them when that would be in our own best interest. You might think that no one would ever want to make mistakes in reasoning, but used-car dealers, lawyers, and politicians, for example, can find fallacious arguments very beneficial to their cause. Unless you know they are being committed, it can be very easy to be taken in. As a professor of philosophy and student of critical thinking, I have found the Senate Jud- iciary Hearings on Judge Clarence Thomas to be full of good examples. (1) The most striking instance was Arlen Specter's effort to impeach the tes- timony of Anita Hill on the basis of a single sentence from an article in USA TODAY reporting that a senate staffer had told her that the mere use of her affidavit would cause Judge Thomas to withdraw his name. After a tortu- ous series of questions asking her if it were true that a staffer had told her such a thing, the Senator got the witness to say that the judge's with- drawal had been an outcome that, it had been suggested, might occur. Since she had previously denied that he had told her that the judge would with- draw, the Senator has claimed that she is guilty of "flat-out perjury". It should be observed, however, that there is an important difference between talk about "what would occur" and "what might occur". The idea that he might withdraw was merely one among several possible outcomes that the staffer mentioned to Hill. Moreover, the commission of perjury requires that a witness deliberately report what she knows to be false with the intent of deciving those receiving her testimony. Hill was responding to Specter's questions "deliberately", no doubt, but she was reporting what she believed to be true without any attempt to deceive the committee. The intriguing question thus becomes why a senator with extensive experience prosecuting witnesses for perjury should make such an unjustified charge. (2) Judge Thomas has been adamant in his insistence that his private life not be subject to discussion. When Senator Heflin asked him if he had dis- cussed pornographic movies with women, for example, the judge was most em- phatic in asserting that this was a subject he would not discuss. He did assert that he had never done so with Anita Hill. But unless you are will- ing to simply take the judge's word for the matter, his refusal to permit questions on this subject makes it impossible to elicit his views on por- nography. Moreover, if the judge enjoys pornography and does discuss it with women, that increases the likelihood of behavior of the kind she has alleged. (3) Thomas maintains that he is being saddled with "sexual stereotypes" because myths about the sexual prowess and the physical endowments of black men have long been a part of American folklore. But the only in- troduction of references to anything of this kind has occurred in the context of Hill's reports of what she alleges that Thomas has said to her. She has not endorsed any of these myths in her testimony. It appears to be ironic that the person who, if Hill's charges are correct, played upon these myths for his own gain in sexually harassing Hill should condemn what he himself is reported to have said in an effort to exonerate himself from these charges. (4) Judge Thomas has stated several times that he did not watch the testi- mony of Anita Hill before the committee. He asserted that he did not want to be exposed to more of her lies. But surely no one knew exactly what she was going to say before she actually said it. Unless you take for granted that she would lie, it would be impossible to know more lies would be told. But it has the effect of making it more difficult to question the judge about her allegations and to challenge him on perjury grounds when he denies what he has not seen. It is striking to think that a judge who has been nominated for the Supreme Court would not want to consider the evidence that is being presented before arriving at a decision, especially in his own case. (5) Even before she had come to Washington in order to testify, Senator Alan Simpson asserted that, if she were to come to Washington to testify, she would suffer many indignities, she would be subjected to tremendous pressure, her reputation would be destroyed, her life would never be the same again, and other claims to this effect. It should come as no sur- prise that statements of this kind have the tendency to discourage poten- tial witnesses from pursuing their testimony. Attempting to intimidate a witness who is to testify before a senate committee is a criminal offense. Moreover, one might have thought that, in getting at the truth, any wit- ness with the courage to step forward and testify should be protected rather than harassed. (6) During his initial questioning of Thomas, Senator Orrin Hatch asked him a series of interrogatories that misdescribed the testimony of Anita Hill. In particular, he asked the judge whether he had ever asked her to have sex with him or invited her to watch pornographic movies with him, which the judge emphatically denied. But these were not the charges Hill had raised. She testifed that he had asked her for dates and had told her that she rea- lly ought to see some of these movies, which he described--not necessarily on the same specific occasions--in an apparent effort to induce her to date him and to have sex with him. Even if the judge can maintain that he did not do these things directly, it does not show that that was not his intent. (7) Thomas has vehemently objected that he has lost his good name, that the Judiciary Committee has irrepairably harmed him, that this interrogation has injured him more than has the KKK, that his has been a high-tech lynch- ing, and so on. All of this is powerful stuff, but only on the assumption that the judge is innocent. Unless you take it for granted that he has not done what Hill has charged, these allegations by Thomas appear to be attempts to push emotional hot-bottons that merely serve to distract attention from the issues that her testimony has raised. They do nothing to help us to find the truth, but they are enormously inflammatory and self-serving. (8) In searching for possible explanations of what motive Hill might have for smearing him with false allegations, Thomas indicated that they had disagreed on a number of issues, including abortion. Senator Hatch repeated this point, implying that differences in their social agendas may have moved Hill to bring forth her charges. But this is the same Judge Thomas who only a few weeks ago adamantly insisted that he had never discussed Roe v. Wade with anyone. Even newspaper ads were run in an effort to learn if anyone had ever discussed this issue with him. It would be interesting to learn how he could know that they disagreed on this issue if they had never discussed it. But in that case his previous testimony was not true. (9) Hill has testified that, during some of her conversations with Thomas, he referred to someone in connection with pornographic films as "Long Dong Silver" and that, at one point, he asked, "Who has put public hair on my Coke?" Senator Hatch has located a court decision involving a sexual har- assment case in which Long Dong Silver is mentioned by name and a passage from THE EXORCIST that describes a pubic hair in a drink. On this basis, Hatch insists that she concocted her testimony from these sources. But the occurrence of references to this actor or film in legal findings or to pubic hair in other places does not show that her testimony is false. Pornographic movies and actors are public figures in the sense that their work is intended for public consumption. Adult theaters and video stores carry work of this kind, because otherwise there would be little or no point to making them. Some phrases or expressions, such as that of making an offer he cannot refuse, might appear to be so distinctive as to not reasonably be thought to have any other source than movies like "The Godfather". But that is not the case in the instances cited by Hill. Indeed, if Thomas is addicted to pornographic movies, then references such as this one would appear to lend further support to her testimony. (10) During the first day of the hearing, a reporter for one of the networks reported that an item that was making its way around the Capitol described Judge Thomas as having regaled his fellow students at Yale with his descrip- tions of the contents of pornographic movies which he had seen. What is most striking about this report is that it should have appeared in a profile of the judge published in a newsmagazine before Anita Hill's allegations had surfaced. This would seem to lend weight to the possibility that Thomas has a long-stand- ing interest in pornography. (11) Several senators have complained that she is too late to make any case of sexual harassment under the law. If she were filing a legal complaint of sex- ual harassement, of course, the statute of limitations would have run out long ago. She has repeatedly explained, however, under interrogation by Hatch and Specter, that her intention has not been to file a legal claim. She has only sought to bring these matters to the attention of the committee in order for its members to have information that might be relevant to their deliberations. She has not wanted to be in the glare of publicity and controversy which has surrounded this issue. (12) Judging the credibility of the witnesses in a case of this kind can be enormously difficult. It should cause some concern, therefore, that Hatch, Specter, and Simpson have been making the rounds of TV interviews during breaks in the hearing, issuing charges of perjury and otherwise attacking the character and credibility of Anita Hill. It would have been more seem- ly for members of the Judiciary Committee to withhold judgment until all of the evidence--including the enormously important corroborating witnesses-- had been heard. It conveys the impression that they are not really inter- ested in the truth. (13) The credibility of witnesses in conflicting and emotional cases of this kind can be very difficult to assess. Yet there may be a relatively simple means for weighing their respective credibility by making one quite reason- able assumption. Hill would have had to be crazy to bring these charges if they were false. But Thomas would not have had to be crazy to deny them, even if they were true. She had nothing to gain, but he had everything to lose. Thus, merely by assuming that neither of them is insane, this argu- ment by itself suggests which of them is the more likely to be lying. The situation is more than a little disturbing. jfetzer@ub.d.umn.edu Department of Philosophy University of Minnesota, Duluth ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1991 11:59:12 GMT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: DJK12@PHOENIX.CAMBRIDGE.AC.UK Subject: Porn - References please I'm a Ph.D. student in political theory at Cambridge. I'm looking at the practical implications of communitarian theory, which suggests that because our identities are socially formed, we can address political disagreements by appealing to latently shared understandings. I argue that communitarians ignore both the ways in which power asymmetries can occlude divisions within a community, and the fact that the actual self-understandings of agents reflect the power relations within which these agents are socialized. I'm addressing these theoretical questions by examining American political debates about pornography. I want to show, on the one hand, that there's a diversity of beliefs concerning pornography, with no latent consensus. On the other hand, pornography is in many ways continuous with socially dominant (patriarchal) understandings of gender, sexuality, and power. Communitarian interventions recognize neither of these facts, and so are esentially conservative. I'D GREATLY APPRECIATE THE HELP WITH THE FOLLOWING: 1) References to material on popular North American views on pornography - I'm especially interested in empirical studies, or samplings of opinion. 2) References to recent work that takes seriously BOTH anti-porn arguments about the ways in which mainstream pornography eroticizes domination and so perpetuates structures of gender inequality, AND anti-censorship arguments about the diversity of pornographies, and the dangers of censorship by a patriarchal state. The best negotiation between extremes that I've seen so far is in Tania Modleski's latest book. 3) I'd of course be grateful for any more general references or comments relevant to my project. Thank you. David Kahane DJK12@UK.AC.CAM.PHX ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1991 00:42:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: HENKING@HWS.BITNET Subject: Re: Teresa Ebert can some one send me the reference for the teresa ebert article? my direct email address is henking@hws via email. thanks, and my apologies for cluttering up the airwaves... susan ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1991 00:47:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: HENKING@HWS.BITNET Subject: Re: Porn - References please hi -- i can't resist suggesting the dog collar murders as a referenmce for the porn (and s and m ) discussions in north america. its a murder mystery and is, of course, particular to the lesbian community.... susan (henking@hws) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1991 11:30:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: TLORRAIN@ROLLINS.BITNET Subject: Teaching Modern Philosophy Hi, this is Tamsin Lorraine again re: teaching the history of modern philsophy. In response to the question--I am familiar with a lot of contemporary work that rereads philosophers in the traditional canon in very interesting ways. My students (the women) get upset that the philosophers they read always seem to be men--and yet, I'm not sure what women philosophers to read from that time period (1600s-1700s). And a question is--do I need to be responsible for educating my students re: the "tradition" or in revising the canon in my teaching? Literature seems to be ahead of philosophy on this one, although there is work going on in this area (of which I feel too ignorant). Thanks Julien! And thanks Linda! And everyone else for your suggestions. I must admit I'm inclined to teach a "straight" course, but isn't that missing an opportunity to bring gender more strongly into the classroom? Tamsin Lorraine TLORRAIN@ROLLINS ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1991 23:16:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Ebert, Dog Collars, & Women's History I'd like to supply fuller references to two titles that were mentioned recently on WMST-L, and to recommend a third: 1) The article by Teresa L. Ebert is entitled "The 'Difference' of Postmodern Feminism" and appears in the December, 1991 issue (vol. 53, No. 8) of COLLEGE ENGLISH, pp. 886-904. 2) A day or so ago, Susan Henking wrote: >hi -- i can't resist suggesting the dog collar murders as a referenmce for the >porn (and s and m ) discussions in north america. its a murder mystery >and is, of course, particular to the lesbian community.... I'd like to second Susan's recommendation. I found THE DOG COLLAR MURDERS by Barbara Wilson (Seattle, WA: Seal Press, 1989) to be an enjoyable, informative, and well-written murder mystery. One of my colleagues was toying with the idea of including it in her course on "Theories of Feminism" because it does such a good job of representing the varying positions on the pornography (esp. s and m) issues. 3) The back page (A44) of the current (Dec. 11, 1991) issue of the CHRONICLE OF HIGHER EDUCATION is given over to a very good article by history professor Carol Berkin entitled "'Dangerous Courtesies' Assault Women's History." In it, Berkin discusses ways in which traditional historians are doing a disservice to women's history by "put[ting] women in the texts but keep[ing] them out of the interpretation." Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1991 10:09:54 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Amanda Goldrick-Jones Subject: Call for Papers The following is an announcement of a special upcoming issue of _Technical Communication Quarterly_ (formerly _Technical Writing Teacher_, and now edited by Mary Lay and Billie Wahlstrom of U of Minnesota). This issue, to come out in 1993, is titled "Gender Issues in Technical Communication." ***************************************************************** SPECIAL INVITATION: Gender issues in technical communication are of increasing concern in our field. Realizing that some research likely to be of impor- tance in 1993 is being conducted by graduate students now, we strongly encourage graduate students to consider this a rare oppor- tunity to showcase their work. Thus we welcome papers by graduate students, by faculty, or by faculty and students in collaboration. Depending on the quality of submissions, graduate students papers might constitute up to 50% of this issue's content. We are looking for papers that place particular emphasis on clari- fying relations between technical communication and feminist theory and praxis, or, that ground technical communication research in feminist perspectives. Submissions might include empirical studies that focus on women's experiences in relationship to tech- nical communication, or studies that raise gender issues/concerns for women and men in technical communication settings. Also wel- come are submissions that analyze technical discourse from feminist perspectives. DATES AND GUIDELINES: Summaries due by: June 1, 1992 Acceptances by: August 1, 1992 Full article due by: October 15, 1992 Final copy (all revisions)DUE DECEMBER 1, 1992 Submit in triplicate, double-spaced, with author's name and a 30- word biography on a separate cover sheet. Follow the _MLA Style Manual_ for documentation. Include a 50 -75 word abstract. SEND INQUIRIES AND PROPOSALS TO EITHER EDITOR: Amanda Goldrick-Jones, Department of Language, Literature & Communication Renssalear Polytechnic Institute Troy NY 12180 Linda LaDuc, Department of Technical Communication Clarkson University Potsdam NY 13676 ********************************************************************** Also please feel free to send inquiries by e-mail. Our addresses are-- Amanda_Goldrick-Jones@mts.rpi.edu (or goldra@rpi.edu) laduc@clutx.clarkson.edu ********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1991 13:05:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: michelle dorothy Subject: just checking if this works i'm a new subscriber and am doing research. before posting my request for information, i wanted to make sure i'm doing this right. that's all. thanks, michelle in bloomington mdorothy@iubacs ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1991 13:51:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: michelle dorothy Subject: bisexuality studies i read through the guide which tried to indicate what is and is not proper for discussion on this network. of course, the boundaries are hazzy and i'm posting this in the event that this IS an okay place. if not, my apologies and i won't bring it up again. i am a senior at indiana university in bloomington majoring in women's studies, journalism, and english. i'm currently working on a paper for a women's studies class dealing with the place of bisexual women in the U.S. i'm having a hard time finding sources (back issues of most progressive journals or bisexual journals aren't available in this conservative academic community) and am asking for help. my focus is on the needs and the niche of bisexual women. is there such a thing as bisexual-specific (as in lesbian-specific, etc.)? or are the needs of bisexuals encompassed in the work of gay/lesbian rights activists and hetero- sexuals? does a need for a bisexuality movement exist? or again, are the interests of bisexuals already being taken care of by the lesbian and heter- sexual communities? i would appreciate any information anyone has on this (it's hard to find) as well as a good place to look. i can be reached privately, mdorothy@iubacs, or through the network. thank you very much, michelle ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1991 14:43:30 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "j. creet" Subject: PERIODICAL DATABASE A periodical database on women encompassing 28,000+ periodical articles from American, British, Canadian, etc. major women's journals (pre 1980-present) has been produced at: New College Library, University of Toronto Women's Studies Collection 20 Willcocks St. Toronto, Ont. Canada M5S 1A1 The library is trying to find out if there is enough interest in this database to justify development of a CD-Rom product. Anyone (individuals or institutions--though it likely to be affordable for institutions only) who feels that this is an important enterprise is encouraged to respond to the above address (preferably) or to: Julia Creet creet@utorgpu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1991 22:49:43 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: BONNIE COX Subject: Re: Am. Native Women In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 12 Dec 1991 09:26:27 EST from I beieve there's a program at UC Santa Barbara that concentrates on Native Amer ican women. -- bonnie cox Sender: Women's Studies List From: PCC@SBITP.BITNET Subject: Re: Am. Native Women There is no program for Native American women studies at U of California at santa Barbara. We do have a professor of Religious Studies, Ines Talamantez, who specializes in Native American women's religion; she has quite a few students and is kind of a one-woman program in herself. We also have a graduate emphasis in women's studies, which means that students already in PhD programs in standard disciplinary departments can opt to add an emphasis to their training in feminist studies. Pat Cohen, History and Women's Studies (chair of latter) pcc@sbitp.bitnet ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1991 06:50:00 MDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "JANIS BOHAN (556-3088/3205, MSC BOX 54)" Subject: RE: Columbus, women and network communication Ethel -- This sounds like fun, the think tank re: ...??? The possibilities seem endless to me. ... sociobiol, implicit racist/sexist/etc'ist attitudes in APA, and on and on. A particular interest of mine is in looking at how psych concepts (present and historical) serve to validate, justify, reproduce poltical agendas that are inimical to women (and othert marginalized groups). For instance, isn't the popularity (in professionala and lay circels) of Gilligan, Chodorow, Belenky et al interesting, given that in general both psych and the public have disregarded women's ideas -- but these fit so neatly into stereotypic views of women (the more comfortable in the present political climate). So psychology -- in fact, self-avowed FEMINIST psychology -- may be contributing to a political agenda intended to keep women in their place. I'm rambling, but I detect some links here. I wonder if Pam Reid would be interested in Div 35's sponsoring a task force to look at these issues. I'm doing some writing rigth now about the issue I mention; I know you've done stuff on sociobiology and related issues ... I bet we could find half a dozen or so folks to play with this a little, amybe put together a paper for PWQ that brings together a bunch of such topics, highlighting the political implications of "value free" science. What do you think? Janis ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1991 15:48:00 FWT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Christine TUGENE Subject: Words and Gendner In French all words are either masculine or feminine. In German an object can be either masculine, feminine or neutral. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1991 10:00:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: RHODA UNGER Subject: RE: Words and Gendner All of this discussion of gender in language reminds me of experiences I had trying to give lectures on sex and gender during my sabbatical year in Israel. The Hebrew language does not have a word for gender. When I suggested one could be adapted from linguistic conventions similar to English usage I was told that in Hebrew nouns and verbs have sex not gender. When I suggested that the word be borrowed from English since Hebrew has taken many words that do not occur in the torah such as "propaganda" and "sandwich", I was informed that Hebrew does not have the soft g and that what would come out would be something like "what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gender." I tell this story to demonstrate how difficult it is to get people to con- sider concepts that are unfamiliar or distasteful to them--language is, of course, an excuse for other conceptual issues. It is truly important that women scholars fight for their "power to name." Rhoda Unger unger@apollo.montclair.edu internet ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1991 08:13:44 MST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Rose Weitz I thought I had signed off this list, but I keep getting mail. Please take me off the list. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1991 10:03:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Answering received message From: GCARR@BUCKNELL.BITNET Subject: pornogrphy In-Reply-To: <01GE2NO2QVIS000JB2@coral.bucknell.edu> an interesting book is called For Adult Users Only -- sorry I don't have the complete bibliographical reference handy. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1991 11:57:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Info on Native American Women Lisa Mitten, whose e-mail addresses appear at the end, has asked me to post the following list of works about Native American women. Joan Korenman (korenman@umbc) ************************************************************** This is in response to a request for information on publications on Native AMerican women that was forwarded on the NATIVE.NET bboard. The following titles may be of use: MOURNING DOVE : A SLAISHAN AUTOBIOGRAPHY / edited by Jay Miller. Lincoln : U. of Nebraska PRess, 1990 LIFE LIVED LIKE A STORY : LIFE STORIES OF THREE YUKON NATIVE ELDERS / by Julie Cruikshank. Lincoln : U. of Nebraska Press, 1990 SPIDER WOMAN'S GRANDDAUGHTERS : TRADITIONAL TALES AND CONTEMPORARY WRITING BY NATIVE AMERICAN WOMEN / edited by Paula Gunn ALlen. New York : Fawcett Columbine, 1990. WOMEN IN NORTH AMERICAN INDIAN MUSIC : SIX ESSAYS. Eidted by Richard Keeling. Urbana : SOciety for Ethnomusicology, 1989. POCAHONTAS & CO. : THE FICTIONAL AMERICAN INDIAN WOMAN IN NINETEENTH-CENTURY LITERATURE ; A STUDY OF METHOD. by Asebrit Sundquist. Atlantic Highlands, NJ : Humanities PRess INt'l., 1987. THE SCARED HOOP : RECOVERING THE FEMININE IN AMERICAN INDIAN TRADITION / by Paula Gunn Allen. boston : Beacon Press, 1986. THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID : CONTEMPORARY POETRY AND FICTION BY NATIVE AMERICAN WOMEN / edited by Rayna Green. Bloomington : Indiana University Press, 1984. AMERICAN INDIAN WOMEN : TELLING THEIR LIVES / by Gretchen M. Bataille. Lincoln : U. of Nebraska Press, 1984. A GATHERING OF SPIRIT : WRITING AND ART BY NORTH AMERICAN INDIAN WOMEN / edited by beth Brant. ROckland, Maine : Sinister WIsdom Books, 1984. NATIVE AMERICAN WOMEN : A CONTEXTUAL BIBLIOGRAPHY / by Rayna Green. Bloomington : U. of Indiana Press, 1983. OHOYO ONE THOUSAND : A RESOURCE GUIDE OF AMERICAN INDIAN/ALASKA NATIVE WOMEN, 1982 / by Owanah ANderson. Wichita Falls, TX : Ohoyo Resource Center. WORDS OF TODAY'S AMERICAN INDIAN WOMEN, OHOYO MAKACHI : A FIRST COLLECTION OF ORATORY BY AMERICAN INDIAN / ALASKA NATIVE WOMEN / compiled by Ohoyo Resource Center staff. Wichita Falls, TX : Ohoyo Resource Center, 1981. I AM THE FIRE OF TIME : THE VOICES OF NATIVE AMERICAN WOMEN / edited by Jane B. Katz. New York : Dutton, 1977. DAUGHTERS OF THE EARTH : THE LIVES AND LEGENDS OF AMERICAN INDIAN WOMEN / by Carolyn Niethammer. New York : Collier, 1977. AMERICAN INDIAN WOMEN / by Marion E. Gridley. New York : Hawthorn, 1974. THE WAYS OF MY GRANDMOTHERS / by Beverly Hungry Wolf. New York : Morrow, 1980. LAKOTA WOMAN / by Mary Crow Dog. New York : Grove Weidenfeld, 1990. THE LIFE AND DEATH OF ANNA MAE AQUASH / by Johanna Brand. Toronto : Lorimer, 1978. THE INDIAN CAPTIVITY NARRATIVE : A WOMAN'S VIEW / compiled by Frances Roe Kestler. New York : Garland, 1990. BOBBI LEE, INDIAN REBEL / by Lee Maracle. Toronto : WOmen's Press, 1990. DURING MY TIME : FLORENCE EDENSHAW DAVIDSON, A HAIDA WOMAN / Margaret B. Blackman. Seattle : U. of Washington PRess, 1982. A VOICE IN HER TRIBE : A NAVAJO WOMAN'S OWN STORY / Irene Stewart. Socorro, NM : Ballena Press, 1980 YAQUI WOMEN : CONTEMPORARY LIFE HISTORIES / by Jane Holden Kelley. Lincoln : U. of Nebraska Press, 1978. AUTOBIOGRAPHIES OF THREE POMO WOMEN / recorded and edited by Elizabeth Colson. Berkeley : Dept. of ANthropology, U. of CA, 1974. *********************************** I hope this will get you and your student started! Lisa Mitten University of Pittsburgh lmitten@pittvms LMITTEN@vms.cis.pitt.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1991 12:40:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "June B. Higgins, Sch. of Arts & Sciences" Subject: RE: The Politics of 1st person singular - additional comment RE: "in Russian...the word for 'MAN' (myzhshinna) is feminine" This is a response from a friend in Slavic Lang.&Lit. field: As for the gender of "mushchina," it is indeed a feminine word, but grammatical gender really has not a lot to do with biological gender, as evidenced by the grammatical gender of the words for "papa," "uncle," "drunkard" (of either sex), "orphan" (ditto), and others, all of which have feminine gender, or the words for "person" (of either sex), "horse" (ditto), "dog" ( " " ), "construction worker," and others having masculine gender, in spite of the presence or absence of various sets of reproductive organs. I'm trying to think of words referring to female persons which have masculine grammatical gender, but I don't come up with anything right off the bat. Anyway, gender is a pretty slippery thing in grammar, at least in Russian, which doesn't stop it from being interesting that "mushchina" is a word of feminine grammatical gender. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1991 11:20:00 PST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: CEDELMAN@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU Subject: Work-Family Issues Course Next semester, I am teaching a sociology course (that is part of our interdisciplinary gender studies program) on work and family issues. I am in a last minute search for books to asign for the class. I am interested in readings on history and current statuss of women in the labor force, history and current status of women and the family, and of course on works that discuss work family conflicts that women (and men) are experiencing,and anything else appropriate that you might suggest. I was interested in Hochschild's THE SECOND SHIFT but Penguin Press says that its out of print. Anybody have any recommendations for me? Thanks. Carol Edelman Department of Sociology Cal State, Chico CEDELMAN@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1991 12:30:29 MST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: nancy felipe russo Subject: RE: Columbus, women and network communication In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 16 Dec 1991 06:50:00 MDT from I feel compelled to comment on the Bohan/Tobach correspondance as it is going to all the list and perpetuates myths about feminist psychologists--Chodorow i s is a sociologist whose armchair theorizing in the psychoanalytic tradition m y be interesting to many, but is NOT mainstream feminist psychology; nor is Gilligan, as "popular" as she is and made highly visibile, mostly by humanists , really "mainstream" feminist psychology. Work is this tradition is all well and good and it's nice to have diversity of perspective and all that, but let 's not undermine and make invisible the work of the rest of use feminist psychologists out here in the trenches who may not have the journalists and humanists publicizing our work but who constitute a huge chunk (if not the core) of feminist psychology. Nancy Felipe Russo, Ph.D. Director, Women's Studies ASU, Tempe, AZ 85287-1801 (602)965-2358 FAX:(602)965-2357 BITNET: ATNFR@ASUACAD ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1991 14:09:15 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: AD1YIVS Subject: Urban Folklore list In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of MON 16 DEC 1991 13:30:29 CST I know this isn't specifically related but I have been unable to find the answer elsewhere. Does anyone subscribe or know how to subscribe to the Urban Folklore list. What are the discussions like? Please reply to me directly, not to the Women's Studies list. Thanks in advance for the help. Michelle Christy AD1YIVS@TCSVA.Tulane.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1991 15:18:52 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Wayne J. Villemez" Subject: work-family issues course readings Some possibilities: Stacey, BRAVE NEW FAMILIES: STORIES OF DOMESTIC UPHEAVAL IN LATE TWENTIETH CENTURY AMERICA Moen, WORKING PARENTS: TRANSFORMATION IN GENDER ROLES AND PUBLIC POLICY IN SWEDEN Johnson, STRONG MOTHERS, WEAK WIVES: THE SEARCH FOR GENDER EQUALITY Rosen, BITTER CHOICES: BLUE COLLAR WOMEN IN AND OUT OF WORK England&Farkas, HOUSEHOLDS, EMPLOYMENT, AND GENDER Reskin&Roos, JOB QUEUES, GENDER QUEUES Bianchi&Spain, AMERICAN WOMEN IN TRANSITION wjv ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1991 15:49:36 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beth Rushing Subject: Re: Work-Family Issues Course In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 16 Dec 1991 11:20:00 PST from Regarding question about resources for teaching an interdisciplinary course on work and family issues. Ruth Milkman's book, GENDER AT WORK (U. of Illinois Press) is good for looking at historical issues (World War II). If THE SECOND SHIFT is not possible (surely a bookstore could order enough copies??), Hochschild's THE MANAGED HEART is really excellent, focuses more on work experience but it is clearly possible to relate her arguments back to family experience (I've used it in a Soc. of Work class and my students were fascinated). Also, Karen Brodkin Sacks and Dorothy Remy edited a volume called MY TROUBLES ARE GOING TO HAVE TROUBLE WITH ME (Rutgers Univ. Press) that contains some very good chapters. Faye Crosby's SPOUSE, PARENT, WORKER has some fairly accessible chapters (Yale University Press), though they tend to rely more on statistical techniques (such as multiple regression) that students fear. I hope this helps some. Sounds like a good course. Beth Rushing NRUSHING@KENTVM Dept. of Sociology Kent State University ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1991 12:43:22 PST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Holly Devor Subject: RE: Words and Gendner In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 16 Dec 1991 10:00:00 -0500 from Re: words and gender Finnish has no words for he and she. They use one word "han" for both. Mostly the language is ungendered. Holly Devor HHDD@uvvm.uvic.ca ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1991 16:46:29 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary Kay Schleiter Subject: work issues course readings For a theoretical foundation for the course, i suggest "Gender Equity" by Janet Saltzman Chafetz (Sage, 1990) Mary Kay mks@cs.uwp.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1991 17:26:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: John Kellermeier Subject: Re: bisexuality studies Two new books that are excellent for understanding issues around bisexuality are _Bisexuality: A Reader and Sourcebook_ edited by Thomas Geller from Times Change Press (1990) and _Bi Any Other Name_ edited by Loraine Hutchins and Lani Kaahumanu from Alyson Publications (1991). The latter has a particularly good section of readings on the political implications of bisexuality in both thegay/lesbian and heterosexual communities. ` ` ` ` ` ` ` John Kellermeier ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` BITNET: kellerjh.snyplava ` ` ` ` INTERNET: kellerjh.splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ` ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1991 18:57:06 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: LL23000 Subject: RE: The Politics of 1st person singular - additional comment In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of MON 16 DEC 1991 12:40:00 EST > As for the gender of "mushchina," it is indeed a feminine word, but > grammatical gender really has not a lot to do with biological gender, The story I learned about noun classes being called genders is that the Greeks wanted a category term that had two members, and so gender became the logical choice. (I asked this question when I was taking a course on Bantu--this was a LONG time ago, but I believe that Bantu languages generally have about 20 (+-5) noun classes. The idea of 20 genders made me stop and think.) I work in Japanese, which has no noun classes. Karen Kay Northeast Missouri State University ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1991 22:49:35 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: KMARCH@MAINE.BITNET Subject: Language gender In-Reply-To: Re: Columbus and women Perhaps people recall that in Spanish the word for person (la persona) is femen ine, even when referring to a man; angel is masculine (at least someone's figur ed out their sex); and victim (la victima) is feminine. There is grammatical g ender and semantic gender. They are often not the same in languages. And freq uently they just happened, as previous sounds evolved or were assimilated into others, so that something that 'looks' feminine/masculine is only that way beca use someone's tongue 'slipped'. .... Kathleen March [BTW, I enjoyed Abby Klein baum's book, The War Against the Amazons, but then I'm not a classicist. I do know at least one classicist who also did. I like the paert about the relevanc e of the amazon figure for feminists today. ] ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1991 23:00:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: LENTZ61@SNYPOTVA.BITNET Subject: anti-choice feminists hello all-- i was having a discussion with a friend of mine who is president of our gender equality group on campus and we started talking about anti-choice feminists. her group is trying to get some forums set up about abortion, roe vs. wade, the idea of choice, etc. and we were wondering whether or not anyone would have any info or experiences dealing with or related to feminists who hold anti-choice views.--- also, does anyone know of universities that offer undergraduate work in african-american studies and women studies, along with political science? i know this covers quite a range of coursework but any info would be helpful. please send info to me, not to the list. thank you in advance. laura lentz lentz61@snypotva.bitnet p.o. box 985 potsdam, ny 13676 (315) 265-7624 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 00:10:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Arnie Kahn Subject: Gilligan, Chodorow, et al. Nancy Russo made an interesting point earlier today regarding the fact that most feminist researchers the psychodynamic views of Gilligan, Chodorow, and others, yet these feminist scholars are *very* popular with both the media and feminists in the humanities. I can understand their attraction to the media, for these views of gender reinforce the status quo: women are basically different from men and, therefore, separate spheres and separate privileges are justified. What I don't understand is the strong attraction of feminists in the humanities for such theories. I think this difference frequently isolates feminist psychologists from feminists in the humanities. The major reason for rejection by feminist psychologists is that the psychodynamic theories do not stand the weight of empirical research. Why is there such a rush to buy the theory and ignore the empirical evidence suggesting the invalidity of the theories? At a more basic level, perhaps, I wonder about the appeal of theories that suggest people are shaped by early, distal experiences. Again, there is a vast body of research suggesting that proximal stimuli are much more potent than distal stimuli in determining behavior. I think this is an issue which gets to the heart of women's studies. To what extent are women and men the way they are? Is it because of genes, biology, biochemistry, and/or early experience, or is it because of the assumptions people make about women and men, and the way each is treated on a day-to-day basis? More importantly, perhaps, if we consider the what we can change and what we cannot, the assumptions on which we behave become critical. If we believe a woman's (and a man's) personality is shaped before birth or early in life, we can do little more than create a world that accommodates that personality. If we believe people react primarily to their current environent, we can work to change that environment to make it more egalitarian. What do you think? Arnie Kahn (who has finished grading all his finals) fac_askahn@jmuvax (bitnet) fac_askahn@vax1.acs.jmu.edu (internet) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 01:02:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Debby Subject: Re: Gilligan, Chodorow, et al. Why can't we make the environment more equalitarian in accomodating different personalities? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 01:22:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ASHELDON@UMNACVX.BITNET Subject: Re: Gilligan, Chodorow, et al. This in in reply to Arnie Kahn's message re determining why women and men are the way they are: influences due to biology and/or environment. Suppose we followed through on this issue and asked what it would take to test for the differential effects of heredity and environment? We would need to separate identical twins and raise them in two different sorts of environments: 1) a nonsexist environment (does anyone know where one exists), and 2) a garden variety sexist environment. My hypothesis is that because condition #1 does not exist, then this is not an empirical question. We can not perform the necessary work to test a hypothesis that claims any differences between females and males is either due to environment and/or heredity. There are other complications, namely, finding a set of truely nonsexist parents, caregivers, and peers, not to mention nonsexist institutions (e.g. schools) with nonsexist cultural practices and texts. (Actually, these are not *other* complications, but exemplify the problem.) Amy Sheldon ASHELDON@UMNACVX ASHELDON@VX.ACS.UMN.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 06:52:19 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: MIKE Subject: Re: Gilligan, Chodorow, et al. I had never thought of "sexist environment" as a discrete variable; surely there must be average, more, less "sexist environment" ... perhaps we could split the twins to "more" and "less" and look at the result. The research problem would seem to be the instant contamination of other factors in the second environment ... e.g. how do we have the same parent, sexist in the first case and non sexist in the second? Mike Keenan keenan@gw.wmich.edu (Internet) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 07:57:07 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: K_COOK@UNHH.UNH.EDU Subject: RE: anti-choice feminists Hi Laura, and everyone else. i am posting this to the whole group for reasons that will become apparent soon. Laura, i am very interested in what you find regarding anti-choice feminists, unfortunately i don't have any references for you. i think NOW has a sub-membership group of anti-choicers, you may want to contact your local group, or the national office. my research for my dissertation is about anti-choice and the death penalty in terms of public opinion and state legislation. my (yet unpublished) findings with the state level data are as follows: corporal punishment in public schools, incarceration, and capital punishment significantly predict anti-choice legislation in the 50 states. that is, the greater levels of punitive policies the greater the restrictions on abortion access. with the "debunking motif" of sociology (peter berger 1963), i hope to debunk the myth that anti-choice policies and advocates are "pro-life" when in fact the state level data show otherwise. with the knowledge that if ROE is overturned women will be forced again to the "deadly back alley's" unless they have the money to buy quality services (we all know that poor women suffered more under pre-roe restrictions) there will likely be an increase in maternal mortality and the policy makers and activists know this. one anti-choice advocate said to me "two deaths are better than one murder!" food for thought. if any one out there has any thoughts or recommendations about this issue please let me know. thanks. kimberly j. cook (whose finals are NOT all graded, unlike mike i think) k_cook@unhh.unh.edu (internet) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1991 22:48:04 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sandra Basgall Subject: RE: Words and Gendner Recently the Colegio de Mexico was looking at what the common Mexicans thought were the meaning of words that were traditionally male but have been adapted to be female with the addition of an "a" to reflect the change in these professions to include women, e.g., doctor -- doctora, ingeniero -- ingeniera, profesor -- profesora. Overwhelmingly those Mexicans that were not of the elite thought they meant the wife of the doctor, the wife of the engineer, etc.! Sandra Basgall SBASGALL@VAXA.WEEG.UIOWA.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 08:48:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: UAHEBP01@UAHVAX1.BITNET Subject: Re: Request for info on Native American Women From: us%"nn.general@gnosys.svle.ma.us" 16-DEC-1991 20:04:37.54 To: Elizabeth Pollard CC: Subj: Re: Forwarded from Women's Studies List Received: From UGA(MAILER) by UAHVAX1 with Jnet id 6289 for UAHEBP01@UAHVAX1; Mon, 16 Dec 1991 20:04 CST Received: by UGA (Mailer R2.07) id 3723; Mon, 16 Dec 91 21:02:43 EST Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1991 19:26:07 EST Reply-To: nn.general@gnosys.svle.ma.us Sender: "NATIVE-L Issues Pertaining to Aboriginal Peoples" From: NativeNet@gnosys.svle.ma.us Subject: Re: Forwarded from Women's Studies List X-To: nn.general@gnosys.svle.ma.us To: Elizabeth Pollard Original-Sender: cwatrin@brownvm.brown.edu (Charlotte Watrin) A woman named Elaine Morse at UMASS Boston teaches one course in her Womens Studies department about Native American Women. It primarily deals with women's concepts as displayed in contemporary literature. I know of no departments solely dedicated to the study of native women of any group. Too bad, we're soooooo interesting, too! I've been thinking about writing a course on something about Indian women but so far, I've just reached the thinking stage. Maybe some of us could talk about what we think a course should include. My thoughts are that the literature is certainly important and I'd like to include crafts, medicine, politics. Any thoughts? Heya (hurry, I'm moving to Hawaii and will be off-line in Jan, temporarily, I hope) cwatrin@brownvm ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 09:45:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: TLORRAIN@ROLLINS.BITNET Subject: Gilligan and Chodorow I'm interested to know from the feminist psychologists out there what is currently more accepted than the Chodorow line. Any references? Thanks. Tamsin Lorraine TLORRAIN@ROLLINS (still grading) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 09:15:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Angela Secrest, Academic Services Coordinator" Subject: Re: anti-choice feminists Kimberly's point is supported by another statistic, which I think I heard some years ago on "All Things Considered". The infant life expectancy rate had been steadily rising until the Reagan election. During the Reagan years, the rate of this rise decreased. I interpret that (as did the program) to mean that conservative white house policies actually caused babies to die. To me, "anti-choice" is a much more accurate description of those who wish to abolish women's right to abortion than is "pro-life", if only because it is a more narrowly defined phrase. "Pro-life" seems to imply a world view that chooses life over killing, better quality of life over poverty. "Anti- choice" more honestly focuses on the single issue of denying women the right to have an abortion. Angela Secrest bitnet: as4671s@drake internet: as4671s@acad.drake.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 09:17:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Angela Secrest, Academic Services Coordinator" Subject: Re: anti-choice feminists Sorry--I meant to add to my previous post that I will look for actual statistics over break, and post them to the list. Angela ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 10:31:36 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Robin Ikegami set WMST-L nomail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 09:34:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: UAHMLD01@UAHVAX1.BITNET Subject: Gilligan, Chodorow vs. empirical findings This in response to Arnie Kahn's post: I'm very interested in your statement about the problems with the psychodynamic models, particularly of Chodorow, I assume. In your discussion of the weaknessses of the models, you say "The major reason for rejection by feminist psychologists is that the psycho- dynamic theories do not stand the weight of empirical research." --and then, "Why is there such a rush to buy the theory and ignore the empirical evidence suggesting the invalidity of the theories?" These two statements can be read in different ways, which is what prompted me to post. The first one suggests that psychodynamic theories do not hold up to empirical investigation -- a point upon which most research psychologists will agree, and historically one impetus for the head-long rush into behaviorism. However, the second one seems to suggest (at least to me) that there is empirical evidence out there which calls the whole psychodynamic approach into question. This implies that the theory *has* been tested and found wanting. I know of several instances where people have tried this, but the model itself is not a good theory (structurally speaking) and the attempts themselves have generally been less than satisfactory; i.e. have not really resulted in "tests" of the model -- at least not in any systematic way that I am aware of. That simple problem -- the inability to "prove" the null hypothesis -- is probably what allows these models to continue on, much like the Eveready Rabbit. Since most people in the media fail to grasp even the basics of the scientific approach, these considerations do not enter into their consideration of the issues. O.K., the post up to this point reflects my scientist-self. This portion reflects my practitioner-self. There have been times in group and individual work that I have advanced the Chodorow ideas, particularly when they seem to me to be an apt metaphor for the sex-role traps that some people are stuck in. Interestingly enough, I have had the experience of watching many *men*, in particular, respond to these ideas with something near the famed "aha" experience. Now, I'm well aware of the contributions of things like set and client/therapist expectancies and verbal and non-verbal cueing, etc. in contributing to such responses -- but I have not yet given up the use of this approach as a metaphor when it seems appropriate. So, I am very interested in getting ahold of studies which have uncovered evidence against the theory/ies -- I'd love some references, if you have the time and energy after grading! Finally, from the feminist/scientist/practitioner selves -- I'm not sure that all feminist psychologists have abandoned the psychodynamic approaches. There are several people at work on psychoanalytic theory, for example, both from historical and from current frames of reference. Also, one of the things that feminist theory/models/research methods have brought to psychology is a willingness to explore human experiences with more weight assigned to the subjective assessment and valuing of internal events and perspectives and decisions, etc. In my opinion, this has led us into a conundrum, since this type of approach reflects echoes of the dynamic approach and can be at considerable variation with the linear empiricism which has characterized our evaluation of mainstream psychological research for the past 30 years or so. I'm working on a paper right now which examines these difficulties -- will let you all know if I come up with anything worthwhile! Mary Lynne Dittmar RADICAL@UAHVAX1 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 10:40:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: HENKING@HWS.BITNET Subject: Re: Gilligan, Chodorow, et al. hi -- i am very interested in the recent discussion of gilligan, chodorow, etcetera. as a feminist in the humanities, with particular interests in religion and psychoanalysis, i am particularly interested in references to empirical work which deflates the work of these thinkers. (i too find them problematic for a certain tendency toward essentialism and yet teach them -- in part because they have been so central to discussions within feminist religious studies .... i always teach texts as "to be criticized" and to be learned from ... and could use suggestions for other texts to conjoin with these, for example....) i will be away for the holidays from the 21 or so til early january so if you're replying after then, i would appreciate having it sent directly to my email address henking@hws. (via bitnet) thanks. susan ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 10:53:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: RHODA UNGER Subject: RE: Gilligan, Chodorow, et al. I haven't even finished constructing my final exam (which is due to be given on Thursday) but I could not resist getting involved in this discussion. I am very glad that Arnie Kahn and Nancy Russo have raised the issue of what I see as the competing paradigms within feminist psychology--one involving an intapsychic possibly maximist view of sex differences and one involving a situational, minimalist view that some of us call social constructionism (as may be obvious, I am one of the latter group). To reiterate Arnie's point in other words we might argue that most personality, trait, motivational, etc. characteristics of people do not predict their behavior in specific situations as well as do the beliefs and cognitions of people interacting in that situationThis view is akin to West and Zimmerman's views about "doing gender" that was published in the first issue of Gender & Society. In the interest of getting back to finishing my exam I will note only a few sources that may help those who are interested in the debate within feminist psychology. These include a new book by Rachel a (ignore the a I am writing with a modem and cannot figure out how to go backwards) by Rachel Hare-Mustin & Jeanne Marecek called "Making a difference" that is about to be published in paperback by Yale University Pr4ess. There are a series of papers on aspects of sex differences by the editors, Jill Morawski, Bernice Lott, and myself. You may also be interested in a special issue of the Psychology of Women Quarterly edited by Jeanne Marecek (I think december, 1989) on feminist theory in psychology with several good articles including one by Kahn (who has finished grading--damn him--and Yoder). I would like to see this debate taken up by feminist scholars outside of psychology because I sometimes feel we have been exlcluded as hopelessly old-fashioned and empirical. By the way, I would also like to add something quite irrelevant to this debate which is why is Arlie Hochschild's book the Second Shift out of print so soon. In w It was only published in 1989. Rhoda Unger unger@apollo.montclair.edu internet ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 11:02:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: LENTZ61@SNYPOTVA.BITNET Subject: anti-choice thank you to those who have been responding thus far. in regard too angela's posting, doesn't it seem strange that the people who are anti-choice or pro-life (both views hold their own place, of course) don't expend much energy towards family planning, education, health care, etc.? it baffles me when i see young children holding signs that say "ABORTION KILLS" when they may not be given what they need to sustain a healthy life. i would appreciate comments on this this! thank you-- laura lentz lentz61@snypotva.bitnet ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 11:03:35 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Robert A. Dunne" Subject: RE: anti-choice feminists Oh, you all mean pro-life groups? (Re the brilliant semantics of "anti-choice": is it any better/worse/accurate than "pro-life"? ) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 10:44:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: EAKAUF@INDSVAX1.BITNET Subject: Re: Columbus, women and network communication reply ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 11:28:12 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ethel Tobach Subject: Re: anti-choice feminists In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 17 Dec 1991 09:15:00 CST from I think that Amy Secrest has the right hold on the problem...we should spread the word in just that fashion. Ethel Tobach Happy New Year! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 11:35:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Arnie Kahn Subject: References Re. Social Construction of Gender I think Rhoda Unger's list of references is terrific. I strongly recommend Hare-Mustin and Marecek's book, _Making a Difference: Psychology and the Construction of Gender_ (Yale, 1990) and the December 1989 issue of _Psychology of Women Quarterly_. I would like to add Martha Mednick's article, "On the Politics of Psychological Constructs: Stop the Bandwagon, I want to Get Off," in _American Psychologist_, 1987, 44, 1118-1123. Arnie Kahn fac_askahn@jmuvax (bitnet) fac_askahn@vax1.acs.jmu.edu (internet) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 09:25:11 MST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: nancy felipe russo Subject: RE: Gilligan, Chodorow, et al. In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 17 Dec 1991 10:53:00 EST from Since I haven't even begun grading (final is TONIGHT!), I will be brief. There's so much going on in the psychology of women and the study of gender that it's difficult to give one or two sources. This December's issue of the Psychology of Women Quarterly that Agnes O'Connell and I coedited that contains papers on the impact of feminism on psychology has a lot of relevant material, including information on the contributions of women of color. There's a lot of work in the paradigm that assumes what women do is a product of their personal attributes and situational characteristics that doesn't talk about the paradigm, but rather applies it to understanding women's lives--the violence they face, the poverty they endure, the depressi on they experience, the stereotyping and devaluation of women in all areas of society, the pervasiveness of male entitlement (I love Brenda Major's work on that), understanding comparable worth and pay equity, debunking myths abou t postabortion syndrome promoted by prolifers, ....I could go on and on. This is the kind of work that is essential in amicus briefs and expert witness testimony that empowers women. It is important not to "disempower"it by makin g it invisible and we are probably part of the problem as we are mos focused on translating the scholarship into action that we are not talking that much to feminists of other disciplines. One parting shot--must we fall into the bimodal thinking trap once again and describe what's going on as "minimalist" vs. "maximalist". To me this just perpetuates the kind of thinking that is the problem. We need to focus on the processes at work and conceptualize what going on in interactive terms. Nancy Felipe Russo, Ph.D. Director, Women's Studies ASU, Tempe, AZ 85287-1801 (602)965-2358 FAX:(602)965-2357 BITNET: ATNFR@ASUACAD ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 11:56:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Arnie Kahn Subject: one more book I thought of one more book relevant to the minimalist-maximalist views of gender. Ross and Nisbett's _The Person and the Situation_ (McGraw-Hill, 1991) is not about women or gender at all. But it does an excellent job of showing how a trait psychology is inadequate to the task of understanding/predicting behavior and suggests more fruitfull approaches. It is very readable, no prior experience in psychology is needed to understand it. Highly recommended. Arnie Kahn fac_askahn@jmuvax or fac_askahn@vax1.acs.jmu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 12:20:24 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Mary Beth Oliver Subject: Re: Gilligan, Chodorow, et al. In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 17 Dec 1991 10:40:00 EST from Here are two cites of articles that show little support for Gilligan's work: Thoma, S. J. (1986). Estimating gender differences in the comprehension and preference of moral issues. _Developmental Review_, _6_, 165-180. This is a meta analysis of gender differences in justice orientations that shows that females score higher than males -- even at every educational and age level. Friedman, W. J., Robinson, A. B., & Friedman, B. L. (1987). Sex differences in moral judgments? A test of Gilligan's theory. _Psychology of Women Quarterly_, _11_, 37-46. There are lots more articles where these came from, but I hope it's a start. Good luck! Mary Beth Oliver olivermb@vtvm1 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 12:27:59 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ethel Tobach Subject: Re: anti-choice In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 17 Dec 1991 11:02:00 EDT from In all the material I have read about the pro-life position I have never seen any evidence of their campaigning for prenatal care, for neonatal care, or for any special programs for single parents, etc. I think that Lentz has the right idea. The pro-choice people have made the point that the pro-life people do not include such issues in their campaigns. Perhaps some political scientists, social psychologists, etc. can sug- gest how the prochoice people who are really prolife can organize the campaign to get this idea across to people. Ethel Tobach ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 10:27:00 MST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "ELIZABETH HERR 'HERR_B@CUBLDR.Colorado.EDU'" Subject: Re: The Politics of 1st person singular - additional comment If you want to read a rather hilarious account of the difference between grammatical gender and actual gender, read Mark Twain's satire on German, in which he describes a poor fisher woman, and the identity crisis she must face having a female nose, a male mouth, female eyes and a neuter face, etc. I can't remember the name of the story, but it should be in his collected works. Enjoy. ELizabeth Herr ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 13:39:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: DONNA Subject: Re: anti-choice Recently a billboard appeared in Newburyport, MA, the city where I live, that read: Abortion is Forever. The visual sign that accompanied the wording was a sort of blown-up photograph of a family of four: mom, dad, young sibling, and, the outline of the figure of an older (about 7 or 8 year old) sibling that apparently had been in the photograph and that looked as though it had been torn out. This was meant to show that the child was not longer in the picture I guess. This is the type of thing that alienates me from the whole pro-life/anti-choice discussion. Whatever abortion is about, whether it be about forced abortion in China, or banned abortion in other places...it is not about killing 7 year old girls. It is about women having control over their own lives - biologically or socially or economically or any other way..and the phrase anti-choice feminists seems like an oxymoron. Donna jacques@binah.cc.brandeis ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 13:55:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: USRNAME Subject: courses: (1)Spinoza, Marx, Freud; (2) Feminism and Law I am planning to teach a course on Spinoza, Marx and Freud in the Fall semester of next year and a course on Feminism and Law in the Spring. I am looking for critical readings of Spinoza, Marx and Freud that focus on their relation to Judaism and their political theories. I will appriciate all kinds of help with the Feminism and Law course. Thanks. Bat-Ami Bar On AMI@BINGVAXA (a BITNET address) Philosophy SUNY-Binghamton Binghamton, NY 13902-6000 (607) 777-2815 (at Women's Studies) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 13:00:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: UAHMLD01@UAHVAX1.BITNET Subject: Clarification on Gilligan/Chodorow models Thanks to those who have *already* posted references in response to requests for research critical of Gilligan/Chodorow. I just wanted to say something quickly to clarify my question, though, because a couple of the responses are going in a different direction than I was trying to and I want to save other people the trouble of responding to me personally (I've gotten a few off-list responses -- you people are FAST!): What I was suggesting was that criticisms of these models can come in two ways; one is criticism of the utility of the theory and/or of the structure of the theory (i.e., theories are supposed to be testable, supposed to fit the facts, etc.), and the other is from actual hypothesis generation and testing of the major implications/assumptions of the theory. For example, analysts claim to test Freudian "predictions" about development by watching the play and other social interactions of children and then yelling "eureka" whenever they see something which they interpret as fitting the traditional psychosexual framework. Most other researchers find this biased and post hoc in construction -- really bad attempts to test hypotheses. However, this leads to the second type of criticism, and the type I was looking for references to. Precisely because the construction of psychodynamic theories rely heavily on constructs which can't be independently verified, they are generally lousy theories in the formal sense -- notoriously difficult, if not impossible, to test. Gilligan's stuff on gendered moral development does not really fit into this category; her assertions are testable, even if the underlying psychodynamic framework is not. I agree with Arnie and others that this problem has led to a mainstream rejection of psychodynamic approaches. What I was looking for were references to any attempts to actually test the types of hypotheses which might be generated by such models, not for criticism of the models themselves -- got plenty of that. I was also suggesting that the first problem -- the criticism of the structure and assumptions of the theories -- has not necessarily thrown everybody off, because the use of constructs, or metaphors, or models which seem to be valuable expressions of human experience for some people -- EVEN if they cannot be scientifically tested -- are of interest to some feminist psychologists. Thanks to all who have responded. Mary Lynne Dittmar RADICAL@UAHVAX1 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 14:21:05 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: MIKE Subject: Re: The Politics of 1st person singular - additional comment I am lucky enough to have a Mark Twain scholar for lunch and ... The essay you are writing about is, of course, Twain's work on "The Awful German Language." He has expanded on this in a number of sources and has a full chapter in his A TRAMP ABROAD. Part of his reasoning was because he had such a dreadful time learning the language when he was in Germany -- stealing folk- tales to put into A TRAMP ABROAD. His German never was terribly good. Keep reading Twain. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 13:30:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Linda Gordon, History, Univ of Wisconsin" Subject: Re: Gilligan, Chodorow, et al. Look at Linda Gordon's "On Difference" in the journal Genders, #10. >From: I N%"WMST-L@UMDD.BitNet" "Women's Studies List" >To: Linda Gordon , Phyllis Holman Weisbard , Susan Searing Subject: Gilligan, Chodorow, et al. > >Received: by WISCMACC; Mon, 16 Dec 91 23:15 CST >Received: From UMDD($MAILER) by WISCMAC1 with Jnet id 2761 for > ILGORDON@WISCMACC; Mon, 16 Dec 1991 23:15 CDT >Received: by UMDD (Mailer R2.08) id 6896; Tue, 17 Dec 91 00:15:55 EST >Message-Id: <21121623154527@WISCMACC> >Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 00:10:00 EST >From: Arnie Kahn >Reply-To: Women's Studies List >Sender: Women's Studies List >Subject: Gilligan, Chodorow, et al. >To: Linda Gordon , > Phyllis Holman Weisbard , > Susan Searing > >Nancy Russo made an interesting point earlier today regarding the fact that >most feminist researchers the psychodynamic views of Gilligan, Chodorow, and >others, yet these feminist scholars are *very* popular with both the media and >feminists in the humanities. I can understand their attraction to the media, >for these views of gender reinforce the status quo: women are basically >different from men and, therefore, separate spheres and separate privileges are >justified. What I don't understand is the strong attraction of feminists in >the humanities for such theories. > >I think this difference frequently isolates feminist psychologists from >feminists in the humanities. The major reason for rejection by feminist >psychologists is that the psychodynamic theories do not stand the weight of >empirical research. Why is there such a rush to buy the theory and ignore the >empirical evidence suggesting the invalidity of the theories? > >At a more basic level, perhaps, I wonder about the appeal of theories that >suggest people are shaped by early, distal experiences. Again, there is a vast >body of research suggesting that proximal stimuli are much more potent than >distal stimuli in determining behavior. > >I think this is an issue which gets to the heart of women's studies. To what >extent are women and men the way they are? Is it because of genes, biology, >biochemistry, and/or early experience, or is it because of the assumptions >people make about women and men, and the way each is treated on a day-to-day >basis? > >More importantly, perhaps, if we consider the what we can change and what we >cannot, the assumptions on which we behave become critical. If we believe a >woman's (and a man's) personality is shaped before birth or early in life, we >can do little more than create a world that accommodates that personality. If >we believe people react primarily to their current environent, we can work to >change that environment to make it more egalitarian. > >What do you think? > >Arnie Kahn (who has finished grading all his finals) >fac_askahn@jmuvax (bitnet) >fac_askahn@vax1.acs.jmu.edu (internet) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 14:33:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: RSOLIE@SMITH.BITNET Subject: pro-choice, pro-life, etc. It seems to be that there can be a little hypocrisy on both sides, as far as the "accuracy" of the terms is concerned. True, most "pro-lifers" don't really seem to be morally coherent in their application of that standard; but on the other hand I know plenty of people (including some feminists) who are pacifist, anti-capital punishment, pro-animal rights, and everything else, but still unwilling even to consider the idea that a fetus may be a form of human life. Isn't that the same thing in reverse? Being pro-CHOICE I take to be another thing: a political position rather than an explicitly moral one. One might believe, for example, that the law of the country ought to reflect the mores of the majority--whatever one thinks of the issue oneself. That's what "choice" is right now. Ruth Solie rsolie@smith ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 12:39:00 MDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: SLWJP@USU.BITNET Subject: removal Please remove my name from the mailing list. Deanna Crask-Stone. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 11:30:11 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sandra Basgall Subject: Women in Development The University of Iowa and Grinnell College have received a Ford Foundation grant for a study group designedc to bring new perspectives to development by focusing on gender issues in the social, economic, and political life of developing nations (I hate this term!). This is designed to help bridge the institutional gulf in undergraduate education at both institutions in gender and internationl development. I am interested in articles and/or books that give a good introductory overview to both Women in Development and women's roles/experience in developing countries. And I am also interested in articles and/or books that specifically deal with issues of reproduction, migration, urganization, women's work, structural adjustment, media, culture, democratization, agriculture, and the environment at they affect women. Please send these to me personally at: O=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-O + Sandra Basgall sbasgall@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (internet) + O School of Journalism sbasgava@uiamvs (bitnet) O + and Mass Communication + O The University of Iowa voice: (319) 337-5552 O + Iowa City, IA 52242 + O-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=O ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 15:05:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: LAFRANCE@BCVMS.BITNET Subject: NO MAIL SET WMST-L NO MAIL ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 15:20:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Helen M. Raisz/Institute of Gerontology" Subject: Re: Request for info on Native American Women How can we learn to pronounce ko yan nis qatsi? It seems toa be a good approximation of the Indain (South Asia) Kali yuga. Raisz@sjc ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 13:22:00 MDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: SLWJP@USU.BITNET Subject: MAIL SET WMST NO MAIL ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 15:27:41 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: MIKE Subject: Re: The Politics of 1st person singular - additional comment My guest for lunch (Mark Twain expert) is a little quick with CNTRL/Z ... If you need a contact for more Mark Twain information ... Penny David DavidB@gw.wmich.edu If you need lunch ... Mike Keenan keenan@gw.wmich.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 16:57:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: MMULLARKEY@HAMP.HAMPSHIRE.EDU Subject: Re: Teaching Modern Philosophy A good text on Kant by a women - Joan Landes, however I can't remember the title ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 15:08:00 MST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "ELIZABETH HERR 'HERR_B@CUBLDR.Colorado.EDU'" Subject: Re: The Politics of 1st person singular - additional comment thanks for the Mark Twain references. I remembered the story, but not the reference, because German in my native language, and I can appreciate the difficulties the gender and declinations (?) pose for learners of German. Happy Holidays, ELizabeth Herr ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 17:25:10 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: elizabeth bounds Subject: Re: pro-choice, pro-life, etc. In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 17 Dec 1991 14:33:00 EDT from First, I want to tell Laura Lentz that one source for arguments re pro0-choice/ anti-choice might be the group Catholics for a Free Choice in Washington DC. As you can guess by the name of the organization, they have a lot of experience a rguing with Catholic anti-choice folks. I have the address at home, so if you c an't get the number from Washington information, let me know. Second, in terms of this whole discussion I want to say that as a person who teache s religion and a person who is religious (and pro-choice I might add), I feel t he debate has to be on the terms of public policy, not personal belief. While n ot agreeing with the "abortion kills" position, I can respect it as a personal religious position--especially if, as is true for a small radical Christian eva ngelical wing, it is combined with an anti-war, pro-social justice stance (it's small but it does exist in groups such as Sojourners in Washington and Evangel icals for Social Justice in Philadelphia). The issue to argue over is public po licy and the American heritage of free choice (which is a mixed heritage--but i mportant and inescapable). Elizabeth Bounds, Virginia Tech, bounds at vtvm1.cc. vt.edu. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 16:42:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Angela Secrest, Academic Services Coordinator" Subject: Re: anti-choice Laura: I certainly agree with your comments demonstrating the "inconsistencies" (for lack of a better word)of the anti-choice-pro-life view. I would have a lot more respect for the position, would its proponents prove to me that they care as much for an unknown woman's child after it were born as they do before it is born, and also for the unknown woman, for that matter. Angela Secrest as4671s@drake ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 16:54:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: EAKAUF@INDSVAX1.BITNET Subject: Re: Request for info on Native American Women Coy-On-ITZ-cot-see. Is pretty close. There is a full length feature film entitled Koyannisqatsi produced by Francis Ford Coppolo. It is a Hopi Indian wo rd ... the film has background music by Phillip Glass and uses time lapse cinematography and other devices to show what has become of Mother Earth from "the beginning" to the present. The film ends with the Hopi prophecy that talks of the world ending when cobwebs cross the sky and destruction drops out of the sky. I've used the film with first year undergraduates when I taught Introduction to Journalism. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 18:46:44 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Frank Dane Subject: Re: Gilligan, Chodorow, et al. In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 17 Dec 1991 01:02:00 CST from It should come as no surprise that I, another social psychologist, agreee (make that agree) with Arnie Kahn about the relative importance of proximal over distal influences in one's life. What I have always wondered about, but have never been able to understand, is the strong tendency among many scholars to accept a theory (oh, gee, let's use psychodynamic theory as an example) that has been thoroughly trashed by empirical research. I have always assumed there must be more to it than merely choosing a theory that supports one's biases/wishes about the reasons why people do what they do. Francis C. Dane, Assoc. Prof. & Chair Department of Pschology, Mercer University Macon, GA 31207-0001 USA FDANE@UGA.BITNET ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 20:30:31 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: hgardiner@MNSMC1.MNSMC.EDU Subject: Signoff wmst-l I have tried to send a signoff command to listserv without success. Sorry to send to the list, but please remove my name. Thanks Harry Gardiner ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- name St. Mary's College of Minnesota dept of # @mnsmc1.mnsmc.edu 700 Terrace Heights (507)457- Winona, MN 55987-1399 Fax (507)457-1633 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 23:48:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: NE93JL55%WOOSTER.BITNET@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Subject: thoughts on pro-life/anti-choice Hi. This is my first posting to this discussion group, so bear with me. I have been fascinated by the discussion of pro-life/anti-choice "feminists". I have the experience of actually knowing one. My friend is very firm in her pro-life stance and does do volunteer work with teenage mothers. She is also the head person of the student pro-life group here, but has not been able to convince th group to get involved in volunteering with her or on related issues. I believe that part of the problem is that many anti-choice people are also anti-birth control (among other things). I know that she has also felt alienated from the women's resource center here. She has talked about joining it to get involved with getting information out to other students about birth control, but has found it difficult because she has been stereotyped by pro-choice feminists (male and female) as non-feminist due to her pro-life stance. Other thoughts...I have seen a few messages that disturbed me because they assume that abortion, still legal, is the way all women choose to go when wanting to terminate a pregnancy. A dear friend of mine had a back alley abortion les than two years ago because of parental consent laws and lack of money to get a legal one. She may not be able to have children ever due to an infection that was a direct result of a $50 illegal abortion. Also, I counseled women choosing to abort this summer (general required counseling on procedure, etc...). It amazed me how many of the women I counseled told me why, when that was not a concern of the clinic's (or mine) unless medical problems could arise. Several of these talkative women proclaimed to be pro-life "but, ..." in their circumstance they had no other choice. It would be interesting to see how many pro-lifer women have had abortions. Quite a hypocritical stance! Also, I am aware of a group of women who were once pro-choice and had abortions and then converted to radical anti-chiice stances. I don't remember the name of the group but they have been very vocal in the last year, maybe someone else remembers their name? Jenny Neill, Junior at College of Wooster, NE93JL55@wooster.bitnet ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1991 06:47:35 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: K_COOK@UNHH.UNH.EDU Subject: RE: thoughts on pro-life/anti-choice Welcome to the list Jenny! i appreciated reading your thougthful comments on the anti-choice discussion we've been having. if i recall correctly there is an organization called Feminists for Life, which Laura Lentz may want to locate for her interests. regarding the young woman who went to a back alley abortion that Jenny mentioned, that i exactly what will happen to more and more women who seek abortion under the state restrictions. had it not been for the parental consent law, this young woman would likely have been able to get a professional abortion, by a competent doctor. i would strongly argue (as Becky Bell's parents do!) that the further restrictions on abortion (parental consent, spousal consent, no Medicaid funding, etc.) will increase the pace with which women turn to non-professional abortion providers, as Jenny's friend did. incidentally, susan sontag had a series of articles on back-alley abortions in the Miami Herald last year (Dec, 1990, or there abouts). it was riveting and very disturbing. if you have the time to get the series, i recommend that you do. i see this movement toward restrictions on abortions as having more to do with punitively controlling women for being non-traditional in our lifestyles (non-traditional=non-housewife/mother roles in our lives and the importance of being economically independent of men). My son summed it up beautifully one time: we were watching the news and the issues of abortion was being covered and all older white men were being interviewed about the restrictions on abortion post-webster. my son, who was 9 at the time said "how come men think they can make women's choices for them?" he's now 10, and still hasn't got the answer to this question. have a nice holiday everyone! kimberly j. cook k_cook@unhh.unh.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1991 09:02:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Messages on WMST-L I've been thinking that it might be useful for me to re-post sections from the WMST-L User's Guide on a semi-regular basis, to help people use the list more effectively and appropriately. Though I'm tempted to start with section 2 (when to send messages to LISTSERV rather than to WMST-L), I think an even more critical need right now, in light of the recent dramatic increase in mail volume, is to remind people that WMST-L is NOT the appropriate place for most discussions of the pro-choice/anti-choice issue or other gender-related societal issues. So, here's section 10, which will help you find lists set up for such discussions. If you have further questions about this, please write to me privately, not to WMST-L. Happy Holidays! Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc **************************************************************** 10) "THE LIST'S WELCOME LETTER MAKES IT CLEAR THAT WMST-L HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED TO DEAL WITH THE ACADEMIC AND PROFESSIONAL SIDE OF WOMEN'S STUDIES, ESPECIALLY WITH ISSUES HAVING TO DO WITH TEACHING, RESEARCH, AND PROGRAM ADMINISTRATION. WHAT ELECTRONIC FORUMS EXIST FOR DISCUSSION OF MALE/FEMALE RELATIONS, WOMEN'S ISSUES, SOCIETAL PROBLEMS, ETC.?" There is a moderated list called GENDER that is devoted especially to "discussion of issues pertaining to the study of communication and gender." To subscribe, send the following message to COMSERVE@RPIECS (Bitnet) or COMSERVE@VM.ECS.RPI.EDU (Internet): SUBSCRIBE GENDER Your Name. [Note that for this list you send subscription requests to COMSERVE rather than to LISTSERV.] Also, the moderated USENET newsgroup soc.feminism (see below) is available in digest form via e-mail for those who either cannot access Usenet or prefer the digest format. To subscribe to the digest, send a request to FEMINISM-DIGEST@NCAR.UCAR.EDU (Internet) or FEMINISM-DIGEST%NCAR.UCAR.EDU@NCARIO (Bitnet). Digest recipients can then respond to postings by sending messages to FEMINISM@NCAR.UCAR.EDU (Internet) or FEMINISM%NCAR.UCAR.EDU@NCARIO (Bitnet). There are, in addition, some lists that have only Internet addresses. (If you don't have Internet access, ask the computer people at your institution how to send mail to these lists through a gateway.) For example, there is a moderated list called FEMAIL that "exists to provide a shared communication channel for feminists around the world." Subscription requests should be sent to FEMAIL-REQUESTS@LUCERNE.ENG.SUN.COM. Both men and women may join. Another list is MAIL-MEN. It describes itself as "a place of openness and support" where men and women can discuss men's issues, which it defines as "those problems or experiences that affect male humans." Send subscription requests to MAIL-MEN-REQUEST@USL.COM. A third list is SAPPHO, a forum and support group for gay and bisexual women. Membership is open to all women and is limited to women. For more information, contact SAPPHO-REQUEST@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU. Another source of electronic forums is Usenet, with its vast array of "newsgroups." Among the hundreds of groups are the following: soc.feminism, soc.women, soc.men, and soc.gender-issues. These newsgroups all carry discussions of male/female relations, as well as other topics. The newsgroups are public, open to both men and women. Soc. feminism is moderated; the others are not and tend to be somewhat wilder and more argumentative. Since methods of accessing Usenet newsgroups vary from system to system, the best thing would be to ask the computer people at your institution how to access these newsgroups on your particular system. There are also several more specialized lists that may be of interest to some WMST-L subscribers. One is EDUCOM-W, which describes itself as "a moderated list to facilitate discussion of issues in technology and education that are of interest to women." Subscription messages should be sent to LISTSERV@BITNIC (Bitnet) or LISTSERV@BITNIC.EDUCOM.ORG (Internet). Another list is SYSTERS; it is designed for professional women in computer science. Topics vary, but include introductions, job listings, book reviews, discrimination, "what should I do" situations, and setting up systers meetings at conferences. It is also a place to organize efforts to change or influence policies affecting women in computer science. For information, write to Anita Borg at SYSTERS-REQUEST@DECWRL.DEC.COM. A third, relatively new list is FEMINIST, which is owned by the Feminist Task Force of the American Library Association. It deals with issues such as sexism in libraries and librarianship, pornography and censorship in libraries, and racism and ethnic diversity in librarianship. Subscription messages (SUB FEMINIST Your Name) should be sent to LISTSERV@MITVMA (Bitnet) or LISTSERV@MITMVA.MIT.EDU (Internet). Finally, there is WIML-L (Women's Issues in Music Librarianship). For more information about WIML-L, contact Laura Gayle Green, LGREEN@IUBVM. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1991 08:36:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: UAHEBP01@UAHVAX1.BITNET Subject: Re: Request for Info on Native American Women From: us%"nn.general@gnosys.svle.ma.us" 17-DEC-1991 17:38:55.74 To: Elizabeth Pollard CC: Subj: Re: Forwarded from Women's Studies List Received: From UGA(MAILER) by UAHVAX1 with Jnet id 6059 for UAHEBP01@UAHVAX1; Tue, 17 Dec 1991 17:38 CST Received: by UGA (Mailer R2.07) id 9003; Tue, 17 Dec 91 18:36:59 EST Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1991 15:45:00 EDT Reply-To: nn.general@gnosys.svle.ma.us Sender: "NATIVE-L Issues Pertaining to Aboriginal Peoples" From: NativeNet@gnosys.svle.ma.us Subject: Re: Forwarded from Women's Studies List X-To: nn.general@gnosys.svle.ma.us To: Elizabeth Pollard Original-Sender: r_castillo@hvrford.bitnet (R. Castillo Sandoval) Regarding the study of indigenous women, I can suggest the study by Irene Silverblatt, Moons, Suns, and Witches: Gender Ideologies in Inca and Colonial Peru_. I hope it helps. Roberto Castillo. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1991 08:20:10 MST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: nancy felipe russo Subject: chodorow, et al On the subject of the usefulness of concepts when they get an aha from other s even if they can't be empirically verified or are contrary to what we learn from empirical studies: In my feminist theory class we talk about the power to name and just how powerful it is. By way of illustration, I tell them that I have learned wha t lies behind the common phenomen of losing your keys, searching your purse three times, having them not being there, and then searching again, and there they are; or looking all over for something and finding it is an place that it is physically impossible (as far as you know) to be; etc. you get the idea. Then I explain to them about the Time Weavers. The people who weave time ahead of us, who sometimes drop a "stitch" and leave something out and then while we are looking for it put it back in--or how sometimes they lose their place and put things in the wrong place. Source: Twilight Zone, who did a show about time weavers who overslept. In general about here the class thinks I'm nuts. I tell them, ok., just wait, you'll see how useful the concept is. Then I talk to them about psychoanalytic labels, etc. and how although they have just about as much support as time weavers, they too are useful and "ring true", and look how powerful is this power to name. They think at this point I'm a little less nuts (but just a little, I thin k). By the next week or so, however, most of them have found the concept of the time weavers very useful, and over time the point grows on them in an experential way that is more powerful than just e xplaining about labels. But now we can test it. You will see how powerful it is--the next time you lose your keys, you will know. and then, when you look up in the sky and say "time weavers, put them back" and then look again and find them, you will "really" know. And then, think about the power of psychoanalytic concepts (which really do focus on critical phenomena), etc. & remember that when you perpetuate them because they are useful you really should give equal time to the time weavers. Nancy Felipe Russo, Ph.D. Director, Women's Studies ASU, Tempe, AZ 85287-1801 (602)965-2358 FAX:(602)965-2357 BITNET: ATNFR@ASUACAD ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1991 10:12:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: UAHMLD01@UAHVAX1.BITNET Subject: Psychodynamics I think the problem regarding evaluation of psychodynamic theories is nicely illustrated by Nancy Felipe Russo's post, where she uses "timeweavers" as an explanatory mechanism for losing keys, among other things (I like this very much, by the way!) Then the heart of the problem, where she writes: >But now we can test it. You will see how powerful it is--the next time >you lose your keys, you will know. and then, when you look up in the sky >and say "time weavers, put them back" and then look again and find them, you >will "really" know. And then, think about the power of psychoanalytic concepts >(which really do focus on critical phenomena), etc. & remember that when >you perpetuate them because they are useful you really should give equal >time to the time weavers. The point is that neither of these "models" are good theories. Not theories at all, actually, but myth. It seems to me that they need to be evaluated as such, and when I present them (in therapy or in Psych 101) I do describe them as metaphorical, not theoretical. I'm not defending psychodynamics as good psychology. My point in asking for references which test the theories is that they seem to lie beyond scientific methodology. But this does not make them worthless, nor should it devalue them if they are useful. Perhaps what we need to say is that they are not scientific and so should not be given whatever weight scientific constructs are given; but this does not mean that they are without value or power outside of a purely scientific perspective. Mary Lynne Dittmar RADICAL@UAHVAX1 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1991 11:19:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: LENTZ61@SNYPOTVA.BITNET Subject: anti-choice feminism i would like to add to the discussion that choice is not just a matter of the abortion issue. As Vicky Randall from her book women and politics says, "access to abortion should be only one aspect of women's right to choose...the conclusion is that feminists should campaign for reproductive rights as a whole, instead of just the narrow issue of abortion." While to me, feminism seems to be a way of providing and discovering new choices for women (and men) the whole idea of anti-choice feminism seems to be a contradiction in terms. (agreeing with a posting from another contributor--thank you for that thought). Randall also writes "for radical feminists, it (abortion) symbolised women's sexual and reproductive self-determination, but under their influence other feminists also came to recognise its importance for women's individual freedom of choice and effective participation in the public sphere." Socialist feminists have expressed misgivings about basing the demand for abortion reformm on women's individual 'right to choose'. (those were randall's words) Randall refers to S. Himmelweit's "Abortion: Individual Choice and and Social Control" in Feminist Review, no.5 when she says that such a claim appears to condone women's relegation to a private sphere, at the same as feminists in other ways are challenging it. >From Himmelweit: "ARe we implicitly accepting that separation of production and reproduction into the social and the private? Are we accepting that under socialism, or whatever name we give the society we are working for, production will be planned, ever so democratically but still planned for the benefit of all, but reproduction will remain a private, individual decision and right?...Himmelweit concludes that "in capitalist society it is necessary to claim whatever individual freedoms one can, and that in the absence of a mechanism equivalent to the market to regulate decisions about reproduction, freedom of choice in this area could actually help undermine the power of capital. (himmelweit, p. 68) Similarly, Jagger (Abortion & a Women's Right to decide, 1976) argues that a woman's right to choose "is not derived from some obscure right to her own body, nor is it part of her right to privacy. It is a contingent right rather than an absolute one, resulting from women's situation in our society." Above all, "women's lives are enormously affected by the birth of their children, whereas the community as a whole is affected only slightly" that they should decide. I thought I would share what I've been reading on... Bibliography: Randall, Vicky. Women and Politics: An international perspective. Univ. of Chicago Press, 1982. 2nd edition.Ja Jaggar, A. (1976) Abortion and a Woman's Right To Decide--in Gould and Wartofsky (eds). Himmelweit, S. (1980) Abortion: Individual Choice and Social Control, from Feminist Review, no. 5 Thank you for your contributions thus far..keep brainstorming!! laura lentz suny at potsdam lentz61@snypotva.bitnet ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1991 11:36:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: RHODA UNGER Subject: RE: Psychodynamics This is a response to the request for empirical rebuttals to Gilligan's theories although I also enjoyed the more metaphorical comments recently sent on the network. Mary Crawford and I recently published a critical review of Gilligan's newer book "Mapping the moral domain" which appeared in Contemporary Psychology in October, 1990 (volume 35, pp. 950 - 952). In it, we provided some references to empirical work that does not repli- cate her assertions about sex differences in moral reasoning and also analyzed some of the papers in the book that also do not replicate her findings. For example, many of the studies show that most children (both boys and girls) express both justice and care concerns and only a minority discuss issues in terms of a "gender appropriate" moral tone. We also questioned the neglect of other variables involving identity that are absent from these studies as well as some of the epistemological problems underlying this kind of research that has already been alluded to by others on this network. Hope this is helpful. Rhoda Unger unger@apollo.montclair.edu internet ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1991 13:02:43 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: MIKE Subject: RE: anti-choice feminism Perhaps the difficulty is with the word "choice" Most pro-choice feminists wouldn't argue that they ought to be able to stop the life of their teenager (even if richly deserved!) Nor, I suspect, would they argue that whatever this is, (that the abortion disposes of) isn't Living (delete Living, please) isn't "living tissue." We get to defining "soul" very quickly and maybe "choice" is as imflamatory (in this context) as is the other side using "life." Mike Keenan keenan@gw.wmich.edu I just had a bizarre thought ... would it be OK to sign a contract with an employer for $X for a year (job requirements not specified in the contract but agreed that we would type or chop wood) and then decide to cut off both our arms but still expect to be paid? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1991 13:42:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: HENKING@HWS.BITNET Subject: Re: chodorow, et al i really really liked the material on time weavers from nancy russo; maybe the students would think i am nuts too... but nuts is just another name too.... susan ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1991 13:43:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: HENKING@HWS.BITNET Subject: Re: Psychodynamics in reply to the question from mary lynne dittmar: could you say what you think are the major differences between myth and theory? thanks. susan ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1991 13:49:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Rodney Ward Subject: pro-choice discussion Hi, I live in Bloomington, IN, where we're about to have the first ever abortion cli nic open, seving the Southern 29 counties of Indiana. I work with a group called RORR, or Reclaim Our Reproductive Rights. When we chose RORR as a name, one reason for doing so was that many of us felt that the phrase "pro-choice" had too many limitations to it. We felt that the phrase "reproductive rights" meant more, and would be more useful to us in our struggle to preserve and expand reproductive rights. I mainly posted this because I haven't seen anyone use the phrase "reproductive rights" since I've been on the WMST-L. Rhodney Ward ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1991 15:03:56 ECT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Rachel Cassel For the person who wanted information on bisexuality, perhaps you might want to check out the listserver: bisexu-l@brownvm. I'm sure that group would have lo ts of helpful suggestions. Rachel Cassel rcassell@bingvmb State University of New York at Binghamton ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1991 15:07:19 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ethel Tobach Subject: Re: The Politics of 1st person singular - additional comment In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 17 Dec 1991 10:27:00 MST from The exact reference to the Twain paper is in the wonderful booklet by Casey & Swift on non-genderized language. I recommend the book highly. Ethel Tobach Happy New Year ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1991 15:14:17 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ethel Tobach Subject: Re: pro-choice, pro-life, etc. In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 17 Dec 1991 14:33:00 EDT from Re Ruth Solie: the mores of a country change with time (witness the ex- plicit sexual portrayal in advertisements, movies, tv etc.) Therefore, there is a dynamic process that requires open discussion as to the future direction of the mores. I think that people generally say that as long as one's particular morality does not impinge on another person's morality one might consider this to be another "inalienable right"...to live as one sees fit. As long as one does not legislate that someone must have children, or legislate abortion, I cannot see that it is a matter of morality. That people feel they have the right to defend the rights of others is probably another "inalienable right." It is when the opinions become restrictive laws on the first "inalienable right" or when the opinions become violent acts that injure others that the morality issue really becomes explicit...this week when we are celebrating the adoption of the bill of rights is a good time for this discussion. Thanks R. Solie. Ethel Tobach ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1991 16:00:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: MMULLARKEY@HAMP.HAMPSHIRE.EDU Subject: Re: anti-choice feminists Regarding anti-choice; there is a group called "feminists for life" although I don't have any more information on them. They have spoken in the Pioneer Valley Area (Mass.) on more than one occasion, so perhaps they're New England based. -mmullarkey (hampvms.bitnet) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1991 16:36:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "NAME'Janice M. Bogstad'" Subject: Re: Messages on WMST-L Help, I am in the last stages of my dissertation on Women and Science Fiction and find that I need to look into Gestalt Theory as it pertains to 1) theories of narrative (character/figure; setting/Ground) and 2) applications to feminist narrative analysis. Can anyone out there help me with a reference? I would really appreciate it. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1991 16:39:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "NAME'Janice M. Bogstad'" Subject: Re: Messages on WMST-L about that need for information on Gestalt Theory, I forgot to sign it again. For those who want to reply to me privately, my email address is BOGSTAJM@UWEC.EDU or , BOGSTAJM@UWEC.BITNET SORRY ABOUT FORGETTING THE ADDRESS - I WILL PUT A NOTE UP ON MY COMPUTER SO IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1991 17:32:07 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ethel Tobach Subject: Re: thoughts on pro-life/anti-choice In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 17 Dec 1991 23:48:00 EDT from Please forgive me for writing so much but I am finding the discussion on pro-life/pro-choice very revealing. Re the comments by Jenny Neill: I think the underlying problems are the general ones that our society produces: a general disregard for the quality of our lives...people perhaps responding to alienation (Weber); to stress; to lack of self- esteem; who knows what else; entering into relationships that are not constructive, so that having a child or not having a child is really related to those societal processes that led to the problems around the relationship in the first place. The lack of economic security is of course one of the dominant factors in this phenomenon. I re- member a very poignant conversation I had with women from East Germany during the International Congress of Psychology in l984. I was told that many women were having children without getting married because prenatal care was available; creches were available; medical care was available; and the only problem was the one created by those who did not think that women should have children without getting married. (I hope you will understand why I asked the question that follows) I asked about the presence or absence of men in the child's development. I was told that when there was no censure of the woman for having a man in the picture, it was usually the case that the child had the pleasure of the extended family of cousins, siblings, etc. which in- cluded men. I am sure that there were many other factors in the soc- iety that were conducive to women having children (a government that was interested in a high birth rate), etc. At the same time, abortions were possible. It is all very complicated...Happy Holidays, ethel tobach ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1991 16:50:23 MST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: nancy felipe russo Subject: Re: Psychodynamics In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 18 Dec 1991 10:12:00 CST from About the point about although concepts may not be scientific they may still be useful--exactly! Psychoanalytic concepts are very powerful and very useful--they are used to justify the status quo, antrocentrism, etc......... . Nancy Felipe Russo, Ph.D. Director, Women's Studies ASU, Tempe, AZ 85287-1801 (602)965-2358 FAX:(602)965-2357 BITNET: ATNFR@ASUACAD ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1991 23:38:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Handbook on Women of Color I am posting this message for Mitch Allen, who is having difficulty posting. Please send all responses to him privately, or to John Stanfield, whose address is provided in the announcement. Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ********************************************************** I am forwarding this message for John Stanfield, editor of the Sage Series on Race and Ethnic Relations. As part of his series, he would like to develop a research handbook about women of color, a benchmark volume that would summarize our existing state of knowledge of the area. He's asked me to contact the network for suggestions of ideas to consider for such a handbook, people who should be involved in the project, perspectives that should be considered from various ethnic groups and academic disciplines, and, most important, suggestions for appropriate editors for the volume. I would also like to know if there are any similar volumes currently out or in development. John is not on e-mail but can be reached via other media: Dept. of Sociology, College of William and Mary, Williamsburg, VA 23185 Phone 804 221-2599 fax 804 221-2988 Or feel free to forward an e-mail message through me: mitch@sagepub.com Thanks in advance for your help. Mitch Allen Executive Editor Sage Publications -- Mitch Allen, Sage Publications, Inc. 2455 Teller Road, Newbury Park, CA 91320 voice: (805) 499-0721 fax: (805) 499-0871 via Internet: mitch@sagepub.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1991 23:26:11 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: KARLA TONELLA Subject: Urban Folklore Michelle Christy asked about the whereabouts of the urban folklore discussion. It is on Usenet - a news group. or Vnews if you're on a vax system. Get into News then type g alt.folklore.urban and tyep opps type ? when you want help. It is not a scholarly discussion but you sometimes pick up some interesting urban folklore and some interesting debunking of some lore. Karla Tonella KDTONELL@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu or KDTONEVA@uiamvs (bitnet) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1991 09:58:00 FWT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Christine TUGENE Subject: Re: pro-choice discussion I follow this very interesting discussion about abortions. But I don't know what is the legislation in each country. I think it will be very interesting to compare the laws of each country. In France the abortion is authorized in these conditions : . the foetus must have less than 10 weeks (I'm not absolutly sure, perhaps 12). . The woman or the young girl don't need any autorisation (whatever her age). . It is free in normal condition. A thing, wich had been discussed, is to know if a doctor (or an hospital) can refused to do abortions ; I don't know what is the conclusion of this discussion. Christine Tugene (France) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1991 08:33:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: PARKERKA@SNYPLAVA.BITNET Subject: Women's studies at community colleges Our small, conservative community college is considering an introductory course in Women's Studies. I'd appreciate hearing what other community colleges offer by way of women's studies electives, and how they fit into program requirements etc. Please send sample curricula, syllabi, catalog information, or whatever may be useful. Thanks! Kathy Parker Assoc. Dean for Learning Resources Clinton Community College Rt 9 South Plattsburgh, NY 12901 518 562 4248 PARKERKA@SNYPLAVA.BITNET ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1991 09:03:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: HENKING@HWS.BITNET Subject: Re: psychoanalysis and race quite a while ago, I asked for any help people could provide on the topic of psychoanalysis and race. as i am at the very beginning of investigating this, the query was very broad. i was asked to share what i learned via the network, so here is a list of things which people suggested (and items i knew) Kitano, Harry. RACE RELATIONS 4th ed. Prentice Hall 1991 (an overview) Fanon, Franz. Black Skin, White Masks Fanon, Franz. Wretched of the Earth. Baker, Houson. Afro-American Literary STudies in the 1990s (has a unit on psychoanalysis and biography) Gaines, Jane (does psychoanalysis and film studies) Spillers, Hortense. "Mama's Baby, Papa's Maybe." Diacritics 1987. Abel, Elizabeth. "race, Class and Psychoanalysis?" in Hirsh, ed. COnflicts in Feminism. 1991 Bhabha, Homi K. "The Other Question. Screen 24 (1983) Brown and Root, eds. (1990) Diversity and COmplexity in Feminist ... NY Harrington Park Press Lerman and Porter Eds. (1990) Feminist Ethics in Psychotherapy. NY: Springer Lakoff, R. Talking power: the politics of language. ny: basic books (has analysis of dora case's use of language) kovel, j. white racism rustin, michael. the good society and the inner world: psychoanalysis politics and culture (has chapter on race and racism from a kleinian perspective). thanks to all. any other references people have would be deeply appreciated my direct address is henking@hws (via bitnet) happy holidays -- solstice, christmas, new years, end of grading.... susan ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1991 10:28:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: KILATTA@VAXSAR.VASSAR.EDU Subject: Re: pro-choice, pro-life, etc. I doubt that pro-choice, feminist, and pacifist women opposed to capital punishment are unwilling to acknowledge that a fetus is a form of human life. There is a significant difference between a fully developed human being and a "form of human life" that cannot sustain itself or be sustained outside of the womb. There is also a difference between women asserting control of their own bodies and people who want to kill other people. I personally find it impossible to refer to a zygote as a "baby" as some anti-choicers enjoy doing. Kimberly Latta KILATTA@vassar.edu. (Sorry, I don't think I have a bitnet address) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1991 09:37:51 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kristin Gerhard What has interested me about the recent exchanges regarding pro-choice/pro-life positions is the way it has highlighted the fact that this is a continuum of positions, rather than the bipolar issue it is frequently presented as (by the media, by pro-choice and by pro-life literature). While I am firmly pro-choice in terms of public policy, I think there are many areas of gray that don't get dealt with in bipolar sound or print bites, and that these areas of grey are important issues for individual women to grapple with. They make us uncomfortable, they highlight differences among those of us who agree on the main point (be it pro-choice or so-called pro-life), they cause a different kind of argument. I am curious to know how, or if, these areas of grey are addressed by those of you who look at abortion in your WS courses. I'd also be interested in references to articles that look specifically at the mid-range of the continuum of opinions. Thanks! Kris Gerhard Iowa State University jl.khg@isu.mvs ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1991 09:53:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: UAHMLD01@UAHVAX1.BITNET Subject: Re: Psychodynamics I've found the discussion about psychodynamics interesting, for a couple of reasons: (1) the development of the discussion mirrors mainstream psychology's rejection of these models and for many of the same reasons -- a real absence of a feminist spin on the discussion until very recently (more about that in a couple of lines), and (2) a visible difference between the response of people coming from a psychological perspective and those responding from the humanities. Since we seem to be agreed that psychodynamic models are not good scientific models, it appears that this is the major "dividing line", to use a divisive term, and I wonder (somewhat wistfully) to what extent this reflects the different epistemologies employed by empirical psychology and by those in the humanities. As a feminist, trained as a "hard-nosed" experi- mental psychologist, I consider myself entirely capable of scientific rigor when I study visual perception, for example. But also as a feminist, I believe that empirical psychology reflects one epistemological perspective -- a valuable one (many of us invest a great deal of time there!), but it is valuable only insofar as the models and structures of the problems we are investigating are appropriately examined through use of the scientific method. Empiricism constructs its own reality, has its own rules and tests of information -- but these are not the only rules and tests. This is what I was trying to get at when I argued that psychodynamic models can have value outside (or side-by-side, or whatever) of science. Finally, a recent post: >About the point that although concepts may not be scientific they may still >be useful--exactly! Psychoanalytic concepts are very powerful and very >useful--they are used to justify the status quo, andtrocentrism, etc...... This is the "classic" feminist response to psychoanalytic constructs, particularly Freud's. It is absolutely valid, although Freud himself gave up on trying to define or describe the psychology of women and admitted that he didn't know how to go about it. Unfortunately, sadly, Freudian constructs of psychological formation of male and female personality structure have been maintained to this day as if they were inscribed on stone tablets by people who, in my opinion, display a considerable amount of rigidity and may well be looking (or worse, needing) justification for a biological determinism of personhood which is very destructive in its application to women. However, for the sake of clarification of my position at least, I didn't mean to defend classical psychoanalytic constructs -- I find them highly objectionable. The term "psychodynamic" simply refers to the notion that there are dynamic, interactive aspects of personality, some of which are conscious, some of which are not, sometimes in conflict, sometimes not, powerfully influenced by upbringing and societal "norms". I maintain that, although not scientific, this general notion can be a helpful one to human beings in a variety of ways -- academically, they continue to spur thinking about "personality" and behavior and experience even among people who don't buy them. Within this general framework there are many variations, some of which have strongly influenced the burgeoning of family therapy, as an example of clinical application. And many other disciplines have made use of these ideas in creative ways. About theory and myth -- susan, I'll respond off-list. Sorry this is so long. Mary Lynne Dittmar, Ph.D. Psychology University of Alabama -- Huntsville RADICAL@UAHVAX1 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1991 19:13:15 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: mtancsa@ARTSPAS.WATSTAR.WATERLOO.EDU Hello all... I am a fourth year Sociology undergrad who will be writing a thesis next term on sociological theory and methodology. I have access to many good books on feminist theory, but few with a specific >sociological< bent to them. Can anyone make suggestions ? Also does anyone know of a feminist Symbolic interactionist sociology or one akin to the Chicago school? or is that a contradiction in terms... I realize making a distinction between sociological and non- sociological feminism is highly debatable, but I do see a distinction, or at least I find it personally useful to work with one. Unless you think others would be interested, please respond to me directly MTANCSA@ARTSPAS.WATSTAR.WATERLOO.EDU OR MTANCSA@ARTSPAS.WATSTAR.UWATERLOO.CA Mike Tancsa Sociology Undergrad. University of Waterloo Canada Thanks in advance, --Mike ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1991 20:14:52 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: VILLERS@OUACCVMB.BITNET Subject: abortions and choices I was interested in the comments Christine Tugene made about access to abortions in France. I was curious to know the status of the new "abortion pill" calles U something or other and how such a pill has changed women's approach to the issue of abortion in France. Are there any significant changes in the statistics as well as in the attitude of the French toward women and abortion? I thought California was going to give the pill a try. Any comments? Anne Villers Villers@ouaccvmb.bitnet ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1991 20:12:09 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ethel Tobach Subject: Re: Psychodynamics In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 19 Dec 1991 09:53:00 CST from One aspect of Freudian psychology that I have missed seeing in the dis- cussion is its roots in genetic determinism...instincts, inherited drives, etc. It is hard to see how such a foundation can be helpful in develop- ing a theory and practice about behavior. I think we do owe much to Freud and the neofreudians who followed: an emphasis on developmental processes; the recognition that the overt, patent behavior is not always what it appears to be. Perhaps other theories gave us that as well. But, I think that there are other consequences of the wide acceptance of Freudian psychology that women need to be concerned about, so in the balance of things, I cannot take Freudian psychology to be constructive. As to the psychoanalytic method of reeducation that is called therapy, there is much more to be talked about there. I wish there was some good research that would explain what happens in that activity...having that information would be invaluable. Ethel Tobach ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1991 20:34:41 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: K_COOK@UNHH.UNH.EDU Subject: RE: abortions and choices the state of New Hampshire is currently considering testing the abortion pill here (RU 486 is the name of the drug). this is surprising to me, since NH is the land of John Sununu and David Souter, but as soon as the testing begins i am sure there will be lots of press coverage about it. if you are interested in it, i can keep you posted. i don't have any specific contributions about the use of RU 486 in france, but i am very interested to find out as well. kimberly j. cook k_cook@unhh.unh.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1991 20:35:00 MDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: GR0RY@USU.BITNET Subject: needs assessment summary About 2 weeks ago I asked fellow netters 5 questions about needs assessment. There were 23 who responded to the questions. There were approximately 20 responses that asked what needs assessments is. There were probably a dozen who wrote extensively about their views of needs assessment. Most seem to believe that needs assessment are proper in their place, but dangerous if misused. I received a lot to think about, confirmed my suspicions, and made some new friends. Thank you all. Following are the results of those responses which attempted to answer the questions directly. 1. How often do you participate in a needs assessment? The answer to question 1 seems to be a range from they are useless and so I never do them to they are so useful that I do them all the time. 14 of 22 response were occasionally to rarely, 3 were never, 4 were regularly, and 1 was unknown. 2. What percentage of needs assessment that should be done, would you guess, are actually done? The average percentage (of those who responded with a percent n=13) of needs assessments that are done was 33%. 3. Under what circumstances do you think a needs assessment should be done? Of the 19 responding to question 3, 12 gave general circumstances that require a needs assessment, and 6 gave specific circumstances. 4. What do you think is the attitude about needs assessment at your institution and in your department? What is your attitude? The answers to question 4 tend toward the positive end for both the institution and the individual. 8 of 15 responses were positive attitudes with one unknown. Of the individuals 11 of 15 responded positively. Those who did not response positively, seemed to show a synical attitude. 5. What, in your opinion, is the difference between needs assessment and evaluation (both formative and summative evaluation)? There were two general opinions. One was that needs assessment is one kind of evaluation. The other common opinion is that needs assessment comes before a project, and an evaulation comes after the project. Given that there were nearly as many who responded indicating that they didn't know what a needs assessment was as those who gave a response to the survey, it would seem to me that either we need to be sure that we are agreeing on our terms, or there needs to be more education about the benefits of a needs assessment. It appears that there is generally a positive attitude about needs assessment, but that few are being done. That might be because there is little common ground on what they are and when they should be used. () Beth Walden gr0ry@cc.usu.edu []\ Utah State University gr0ry@usu.bitnet />___ Logan, UT 84322-1900 (801) 753-0080 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1991 00:01:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Arnie Kahn Subject: backlash I received a disturbing email letter from a colleague who had a male student complain to the department head that she was biased and discriminatory towards males in her graduate course on the social psychology of gender. The student intends to file formal charges with the affirmative action officer. I think this is part of the backlash by white males against views that upset the status quo and male privilege. Those of you who subscribe to mail-men or read the Chronical of Higher Education have seen a lot of it in the past year. I fear we are going to see more of it in the future as white men see their power base eroded. I found this when I talked about sexual harassment in our proseminar--a couple men objected to dealing with harassent as a gender issue, saying men, too, are harassed. Have others of you experienced this? As I argued in a paper nearly a decade ago, men will not willingly give up their privilege easily: being better than a woman can be a major source of self-esteem for them, and most men will not relinguish show power gracefully. I welcome you thoughts. Arnie fac_askahn@jmuvax (bitnet) fac@askahn@vax1.acs.jmu.edu (internet) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1991 06:22:24 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: MIKE Subject: RE: backlash re " men will not willingly give up their privilege easily: being better than a woman can be a major source of self-esteem for them, and most men will not relinguish show power gracefully." (by Arnie Kahn) Try substituting "women" for "men" and "anybody" for "woman" as a kind of "conceptual" test as to whether *this* is a gender issue. I raise the question with students in "Women in Management" as to whether males are discriminating against females (and they are!) *because* they are females or perhaps because they, among competitors in the "success" arena, are easy targets. Females engaging in similar behavior collect the "queen bee" label and often acquire this because they are perceived by other women as not actually favoring females. Perhaps it's regretable, but achieving is a power "game" and a game where there isn't enough room for all the starters to "win." We might change the game, we might change the "rules," but we can't keep the game and have females succeed under different rules than normal high achievers are playing with. Males are much more likely to try to win by eliminating competitors rather than with, say, matching productivity ... BUT they try to eliminate ANY competitor. Women may, in fact, get "eliminated" early but (perhaps!) because they are, for a variety of reasons, easy targets. There are a lot of ways to put it, but there ought to be, in a lot of WMST courses, some consideration of how to not be a target as well as consideration of how to pull the arrows out and/or taking the bow away from the archer and/or whether we ought to "pass a law" against bows and/or whether women ought to acquire bigger and better bows/arrows of their own. Mike Keenan keenan@gw.wmich.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1991 08:21:27 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: LL23000 Subject: RE: backlash In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of THU 19 DEC 1991 20:22:24 EST > There are a lot of ways to put it, but there ought to be, in a lot of > WMST courses, some consideration of how to not be a target as well as > consideration of how to pull the arrows out and/or taking the bow away > from the archer and/or whether we ought to "pass a law" against bows > and/or whether women ought to acquire bigger and better bows/arrows of > their own. > Mike Keenan > keenan@gw.wmich.edu Women are easy targets because they are easily identifiable. How do you suggest they NOT be a target? Karen Kay LL23@NEMOMUS ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1991 10:45:48 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Susan Drain Subject: RE:BACKLASH The question was, since women are "easy targets" because they are "easily identifiable", what can women do to avoid being easy targets? The answer we have traditionally used is to downplay our identification as women -- to "think like a man", act like a man, be better at the game than a man. Then of course, one lays oneself open to the charge of queen-bee-dom, unless one manages to tread a very fine line very carefully. People of my generation (I was an undergraduate twenty years ago) have seen an enormous shift, I think -- originally, our career plans were to be in this old pattern -- to be better than the men at their own game (and we used to say, "fortunately, that's not difficult"!) Later, however, we began to see that we could redesign the game, at least in some areas. Even in the academic world, we have not made vast progress, but we have made enough progress that those who have traditionally been privileged are squawking that "`Political correctness' is destroying freedom of speech." But that's another aspect of this discussion, and the antiPC voices are more usefully identified as backlash voices. Anyway, I still think it's a good question -- what to do to avoid being an easy target, if you reject the traditional answer and you are not in a position to change the game, or even to subvert it a little. Since one of the discussants referred to "Women in Management" courses, I would say there's a context in which one is unlikely to change the game, without blowing capitalism to smithereens. I've no idea what answers there are that do not make extraordinary demands and extort high personal costs. I want to follow this discussion, but unlike some of you, I haven't finished grading --in fact, I have eighty students writing their final examination this afternoon! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1991 08:51:00 MDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "JANIS BOHAN (556-3088/3205, MSC BOX 54)" Subject: RE: Columbus, women and network communication I need to comment on Nancy Russo's response to my earlier converstation with Ethel Tobach re: Gilligan, et. al. I could not agree more that the bulk of really crucial feminist psychological work is being done by "invisible" trench fighters. That's the point. The ideas that fit political (not feminist, but dominant political) agendas are the ones that receive the press. For instance, consider how invisible to (essentially) all lay people and to most psychologists has been Nancy's own work on psychology's historical marginilazation of women's work. It's not known becuase its not popular because it challenges rather than supporting the status quo. My point exactly. Janis Bohan ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1991 10:51:40 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Susan Drain Subject: Re; backlash Forgot to sign my posting -- sorry! The person whose final exams haven't even been written yet, let alone graded, is SUSAN DRAIN English Department, Victoria College, University of Toronto. E-mail address (internet) is drain@epas.utoronto.ca ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1991 09:18:00 MDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "JANIS BOHAN (556-3088/3205, MSC BOX 54)" Subject: RE: Gilligan, Chodorow, et al. I just emerged from several days of burial under finals and papers to discover an on-going discussion here, apparently stimulated by my inadvertent act of sending Ethel Tobach a personal note on the list. I'm delighted to see the chatter -- I think we need this. Arnie, your comments are exactly the issues I'm concerned about -- the eager support for thse notions in the absence of empiricl support, the assumption of the permanent shaping influence of early experience (and the parallel disregard for the on-going impact of social systems). Also there's the issue of diversity. When we talk about "women's ways" (of knowing, relating, making moral judgements," which women are we talking about? This is a complex debate that needs to be joined by feminist psychologists, and soon. It's there in the literature already (Kahn and Yoder; Mednick; some of Bernice Lott's recent work, and others). Also, Michele Faludi's new book is important ans scary in this regard (BACKLASH: THE UNDECLARED WAR AGAINST AMERICAN WOMEN). Let's keep talking Janis Bohan; BITNET: BOHAN@MSCD ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1991 09:29:00 MDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "JANIS BOHAN (556-3088/3205, MSC BOX 54)" Subject: RE: Gilligan and Chodorow I send this to the whole list because I think it's not uncommon for folks to be unclear what the issues are around the "Gilligan, Chodorow, etc" debate if they're not pretty heavily involved in it. "More accepted than the Chodorow line" is hard to say, because a lot of feminist psychologists accept the Chodorow line ... and mny who don't still acknowledge the affirming possibilities of this sort of position. Good references for alternative positions would include recent books by Rachel Hare-Mustin & Jeanne Marecek (MAKING A DIFFnger (REPRESENTATIONS), articles by Candace West & Don Zimmerman ("Doing gender," GENDER & SOCIETY, 1987, 1, 125-151), Arnie Kahn & Janice Yoder ("The psychology of women & conservatism," PSYCH OF WOMEN QTRLY, 13, 417-432); Martha Mednick ("On the politics of psychological constructs," AMERICAN PSYCHOLOGIST, 1989, 44, 1118-1123), BERNICE LOTT ("Separate spheres revisited," CONTEMPORARY SOCIAL PSYCHOLOGY, 13, 55-62). It's an exciting if disquieting literature. Enjoy Janis Bohan Bitnet: BOHAN@MSCD ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1991 09:45:00 MDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "JANIS BOHAN (556-3088/3205, MSC BOX 54)" Subject: RE: Gilligan, Chodorow, et al. I need now to comment on Nancy Russo's comment on falling into "maximalist" and "Minimilist" thought. Rachel Hare-Mustin and Jeanne Marecek (in their book, MAKING A DIFFERENCE, and in an earlier American Psychologist article (1988, I think) talk about the problem raised by thinking in terms of gender as difference -- REGARDLESS of whether we construe it as maximal (they call this alpha bias) or minimal (beta bias). Either perpetuates, as Nancy suggests, the perception that gender is defined by difference. The real issue, it seems to me (and to them I venture) is what we mean by gender -- especially, is it a trait resident within individuals (an essentialist position) or is it a phenomenon located in transactions between persons and environmental contexts. This is NOT the question of whether gender is biologically or environmentally creaed -- it is a question of what that word means. Gender as a nour (an intrapsychic trait) or as a verb ("doing gender" to borrow from West and Zimmerman). That's the real debate -- not maximalist vs minimalist, which argument reproduces old constructs around gender, but wht does the term mean? Janis Bohan BITNET:"BOHAN@MSCD" ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1991 11:49:12 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: cliff staples Subject: Re: backlash In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 20 Dec 1991 00:01:00 EST from I'm afraid Arnie is right. The outcomes of the Thomas-Hill and Smith spectacles are tending to puff-up the reactionaries, both men and women. In my just-completed "sociology of the family" course I got a fair number of "great course, except for the male-bashing" kind of comments. Apparently, this response is generated by any presentation that doesn't take patriarchy for granted. Male (and female) identities that are rooted in male supremacy feel the ground shifting and are just waiting for the gender equivalent of Norm Schwartzkopf to come along and lead them out of... in this case, into the desert. The backlash is working in strange ways. My secretary is afraid to go out night alone now. She tells be she's been watching too many of those crime- infotainment shows on TV-- many of which seem to focus on violent crimes against women. It isn't like we live in a high crime area or anything. I couldn't imagine her acting this way two years ago. And while this doesn't relate directly to WS administration, it does have implications for the political health of WS on and off campus (right, Joan?). Cliff Staples ###################################### CLIFFORD L. STAPLES # DEPARTMENT OF SOCIOLOGY # BOX 8192 UNIVERSITY STATION # GRAND FORKS, NORTH DAKOTA 58202 # OFFICE 701-777-4417 # BITNET: UD153289@NDSUVM1 # ###################################### ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1991 17:00:28 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ethel Tobach Subject: Re: backlash In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 20 Dec 1991 00:01:00 EST from I want to take this opportunity to say how much I appreciate Arnold Kahn and his words...thanks. I wish I had constructive words and ideas to offer but I do want to share my experiences in dealing with backlash...I have experienced it in regard to Europeans who have had to face up to questions of racism; in regard to Christians who have told me of discriminatory behavior by members of dif- ferent religious groups. The history of the human species is one of con- tinuous struggle against intolerance...but the great thing is that things do get better. The fact that one group has experienced prejudice is no explanation or atonement for another...they are all wrong...waffling about one's own discrimination when facing prejudice affecting others does not get us any forwarder about learning how to live with differences. I wish I could be patient in those situations, but I think that persistence and fortitude is needed. History is on our side. Happy Holidays. Ethel ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1991 18:59:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: EAKAUF@INDSVAX1.BITNET Subject: Re: Columbus, women and network communication Is it not known because it's not popular, or is it not known because the journal ists themselves are primarily dominant political culture trained and strained ? It seems to me that we need to better understand who makes up this monolithic media that is always being blamed for putting out "all" the wrong stuff. Newsroom budgets are slashed to barebones virtually everywhere in the country in both print and broadcast. In order to make information known one must understand the intricacies of the media, how it works, who runs it, who the practitioners are and how it can be used to achieve the goals we are setting out. If we expect to be "discovered" for what we think, research, write, endorse or propose we will be sadly disappointed. My views come from 30 years of work in print and broadcast. sue kaufman ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1991 10:18:00 MDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "JANIS BOHAN (556-3088/3205, MSC BOX 54)" Subject: Re: Columbus, women and network communication Your perspective on this is going to be a wonderful addition to my (our?) understanding of the process of the popularization of psychological concepts. I haven't a clue about the intricacies of media operations, }iand though I'm very aware that "the media" aren't a monolithic power, I also sense a degree of cohesion in focus among a large number of prominent media outlets. Not that they all have the same politicl views ... I'm trying to articulate something here that I'm not fully clear about ... Let me try this: One of the nive things about Gilligan et al ("nice" for media hype) is that it can be used (has been used) for a variety of purposes -- often antithetical ones. Conservative types like her for the traditional view of women that herwork accommodates; feminists like her because her work affirms and celebrates "feminine" traits. So she makes weveryone feel good. And she can be used to nefarious ends by anyone. So, if yu get group of media people -- say print and TV journalists -- with an interest in addressing gender issues (because it's a hot topic in today's political clilmate), any/all of them cn jump on the Gilligan bandwagon, despite their political differences. AND, given the current political climate (which I read as right-leaning -- in response to as well as contributory to the mood of "the people" ((also not a monolithic group, I know))) ... conservative politicl types can use wht looks like the latest "knowledge" about women to thier own aims. Am I making sense? I read Faludi's book (do you know it? "BACKLASH: THE UNDECLARED WAR AGAINST AMERICAN WOMEN") while on the way to a conference of feminist educators,to present a paper on essentialism (Gilligan et al). I got goosebumps, because the very points I was trying to make as an academic psycholoigist, Faludi documented as a journalist. If you've read it, I'd love to hear your thoughts. If not, I recommend it highly. I need to clean my house for company, or I could stay here and ramble for pages. I hope we'll keep in touch, keep this discussion going. I'll forward this to Ethel (did you send her yours?) -- feel free also to pass it on to anyone else you think might like to participate. Have good holidays. Janis ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1991 10:21:00 MDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "JANIS BOHAN (556-3088/3205, MSC BOX 54)" Subject: Re: Columbus, women and network communication My apologies to the list for (once again) sending what should have been a private note to the whole list. I WILL figure this out, and soon. And I WILL get my conversation into the appropriate private place. Happy holidays to you all. Janis Bohan ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1991 14:06:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: MATKOVIC@SASK.USASK.CA Subject: classical mythology I am teaching an intro class. mythology course next term. I would appreciate help in locating some good solid feminist resource mayerial (analysis, discuss. etc) on this subject. Getting sick of all that traditional stuff. My address: MATKOVIC@SASK.USASK.CA Thanks, Iva ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1991 15:23:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Three Women's Studies job announcements I have received the following three job announcements from Mankato State University, Arizona State University, and Mills College. For more information, please contact the people named in the announcements, not WMST-L or me. Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ************************************************************ 1) MANKATO STATE UNIVERSITY Vacancy Notice - WOMEN'S STUDIES Chairperson The Department of Women's Studies at Mankato State University invites applications for a tenure-track position beginning September, 1992. Rank of assistant or associate. People of color are especially encouraged and invited to apply. Person selected for this position would be expected to be a candidate for election to a three year, renewable term as department chairperson. The Women's Studies Department at Mankato State University offers undergraduate and graduate degree programs. Its curriculum blends theory, practice, and service to the community. Mankato State is a comprehensive university of 16,000 students one and one half hours southwest of Minneapolis-St. Paul. The university has an active Women's Center and an extended campus program. QUALIFICATIONS: A Ph.D. Is required,preferably in the humanities. Demonstrated leadership experience required, preferably in a feminist setting. Record of successful teaching required. Primary teaching and research interests should center on issues of gender, race, and ethnicity Search is generally for an experienced feminist teacher who shares the multi-cultural commitment of the department, who has demonstrated scholarly achievement or potential for such and who has experience in working with diverse groups of women such as women of color, lesbians, working class, rural and re-entry women and can effectively represent their concerns and interests across the campus. RESPONSIBILITIES: Administer a department of three full-time and several affiliated faculty. Teach two courses per quarter including general education introductory Women's Studies course and additional undergraduate and graduate courses in the area of expertise. Supervise graduate and undergraduate internships and master's theses. TO APPLY: Please send a letter of application, including statement of teaching philosophy, curriculum vitae, relevant course syllabi, teaching evaluations by students, three letters of recommendation from colleagues and one letter from a student. Include phone numbers for all references. Mail to: Mary Van Voorhis, Acting Chair Women's Studies P.O. Box 8400, MSU Box 64 Mankato State University Mankato, MN 56002-8400 Letter of Application Deadline Date: February 15, 1992 EOE ***************************************************************** 2) DIRECTOR OF WOMEN'S STUDIES ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY Arizona State University, Tempe, Arizona invites qualified individuals to apply for the Director of Women's Studies, a fiscal year appointment. The position is administrative and carries with it a tenured faculty appointment at the full or associate professor level. Arizona State University is a multi-campus university with a faculty of over 1,800 and an enrollment of approximately 42,000 students, 10,000 of whom are graduate students. The 620 acre main campus is located in Tempe, a suburb in the rapidly growing Phoenix metropolitan area of over two million residents. The Women's Studies Program at the main campus of Arizona State University has a strong undergraduate program, core and affiliated faculties representing the campus at large, a commitment to cultural diversity, and a wide range of research interests and methodologies. It is currently possible for students to obtain graduate degrees with an emphasis on women's issues through various cooperating departments. The position will involve the development of a graduate program in Women's Studies. Women's Studies maintains international connections through a faculty exchange program and fosters domestic intercultural ties. The Director will be expected to play an active role in securing external funding. The position will be available effective 1 July 1992. Qualifications. Required are (1) earned terminal degree; (2) research and publication record commensurate with the level of appointment; (3) demonstrated high level of organizational, interpersonal, and intercultural communication skills; (4) demonstrated ability to appreciate diverse opinions on methodology and philosophy of women's studies; (5) demonstrated high level of skills necessary for resource development; (6) evidence of a commitment to affirmative action; and (7) service in public and professional organizations. Successful higher education teaching experience in field of specialization and successful administrative experience in women's studies are both strongly preferred. Salary: open and competitive. Application Procedure. Submit the following: (1) letter of intent containing the applicant's philosophy about Women's Studies at a major public university; (2) current resume; and (3) names (with addresses and phone numbers) of three potential references. Deadline for receipt of these three items is Friday 31 January 1992 (and every two weeks thereafter until the position is filled). Applications should be sent to: Professor Kristin B. Valentine, Chair Search Committee for Director of Women's Studies Women's Studies Program Arizona State University Tempe, Arizona 85287-1801 **************************************************************** 3) Alice Andrews Quigley Chair in Women's Studies Mills College invites nominations and applications for the Alice Andrews Quigley Professorship in Women's Studies. We seek an experienced and committed teacher-scholar to chair and enhance the existing program in Women's Studies and teach courses at both introductory and advanced levels. Candidates s*hould have a strong teaching and publication record in women's studies. AU areas of concentration within women's studies will be considered, but we especially seek candidates with an interest in history, philosophy, political science, psychology, and sociology. Appointment level (from Assistant Professor to Full Professor) commensurate with experience. Qualified candidates should have extensive undergraduate teaching and administrative experience, strong leadership and communication skills, and a demonstrated commitment to diversity. Founded in 1852, Mills is a private, non-sectarian, selective, liberal arts college recently rededicated to the education of women at the undergraduate level. The deadline for nominations and applications is February 1, 1992. Send letter of application or nomination with curriculum vitae to: Women's Studies Search Committee MILLS COLLEGE 5000 MacArthur Blvd. Oakland, CA 94613-1301 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1991 15:26:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Four upcoming events I have received word of the following four upcoming events. For more information, please contact the people named in the announcements, not WMST-L or me. Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ************************************************************* 1) The Swarthmore College Peace Collection in conjunction with Swarthmore College and Friends Historical Library of Swarthmore College will be sponsoring an academic conference in March of 1993 to celebrate the bicentennial of the birth of Lucretia Mott. To celebrate this event we have decided to convene a one day conference on the work of Mott and other women in the nineteenth century peace movement. The conference title is "Nineteenth Century Feminist Strategies for Non-Violence." Please post this letter in your department and in any publications as a call for papers for the conference. We are interested in receiving proposals from faculty, graduate students, and undergraduates. Three copies of a one page paper proposal should be sent to: Dr. Wendy E. Chmielewski Curator Swarthmore College Peace Collection 500 College Avenue Swarthmore, PA 19081-1399 The deadline for submission of proposals is February 15, 1992. ************************************************************* 2) 2nd Annual Virginia Woolf Conference VIRGINIA WOOLF: THEMES AND VARIATIONS June 11-14,1992 Southern Connecticut State University, New Haven, CT Co-Sponsor: Western Connecticut State University Plan to attend and participate. Conference organizers are especially encouraging submission of panel proposals but individual papers will be considered. Non-traditional formats for conference sessions are invited (workshops, round-table discussions, videos, and performance pieces, for example). Sessions will be 90 minutes. Suggested topics: Approaches to teaching Virginia Woolf; Woolf and her circle; Woolf and social class; Woolf's short stories and nonfiction; Woolf's diaries; Woolf and the Romantics; Woolf and Lesbian literary techniques, theories, practices and pedagogies; Beyond MRS. DALLOWAY and TO THE LIGHTHOUSE: Woolf's other novels; Woolf and her male contemporaries (critics, companions, competitors); Woolf and practical politics; Woolf's editions and manuscripts; Woolf and the -isms (Post-Structuralism, Post-Feminism, French Feminism, Marxism); Woolf and food; Woolf and nature; Woolf and houses; Woolf and cinema; Bloomsbury revisited; The Omega workshops; Woolf and the performing arts; Woolf and music; reading Woolf in an era of political correctness. All proposals must include a 100-250 word abstract for each paper or presentation with a separate cover sheet listing names, addresses, institutional affiliations (if any), phone numbers of panel organizer and all panelists; session title (for panel proposals); title(s) of all papers or presentations; description of session format, request for any audio-visual support. Send proposals to: Dr. Vara Neverow-Turk Department of English Southern Connecticut State University New Haven, CT 06515 Submissions must be postmarked by Feb. 1, 1992. Decisions made by March 15, 1992 Graduate and undergraduate credit available (3 credits) in conjunction with the Conference. ***************************************************************** 3) SIXTH ANNUAL CONFERENCE THE FIGHT FOR REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM APRIL 10-12, 1992 HAMPSHIRE COLLEGE AMHERST, MA The conference dates have been changed so that everyone can also participate in the April 5 "We Won't Go Back" March on Washington sponsored by the National Organization for Women SAVE THESE DATES! ****************************************************************** 4) Attention: PRO-CHOICE activists ! Operation Rescue will be attempting to shut down all the clinics in New York during the Democratic National Convention, JULY 7-11, 1992. They will also be doing actions at the convention itself. WHAM! (Women's Health Action and Mobilization) is coordinating escort- ing, clinic defense, and counter-protest and publicity. If you have experience in these areas, or are interested in learning, WHAM! asks that you contact them ASAP at (212) 713-5966 (leave a msg c/o Misha) or write P.O. Box 733 N.Y. NY 10009 If you are definitely coming or even thinking of doing so, PLEASE contact WHAM!; it is very important that you let them know of your plans, so that we can be a COHERENT and ORGANIZED force of activists! We need to know who we are and how many of us there are, we need to send a clear message to the nation that we will not stand by in silence while women's rights to control their bodies are trampled upon; WE WILL NOT LET THIS BE ANOTHER WICHITA! (Besides, if you tell WHAM! you are coming you might get housing provided by them, for free...) Please pass the word on to other interested parties. ACT UP/NY will also be a large part of the organizing and activism for Choice at the Convention; if you have experience with ACT UP as well, please let WHAM! know that when you call. Carole Mah st701852@brownvm.bitnet st701852@brownvm.brown.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1991 16:27:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: EAKAUF@INDSVAX1.BITNET Subject: Re: Columbus, women and network communication Janis ... please forward my messages to Ethel ... I'm not sure how to do that on this system. Thanks. Sue Kaufman ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1991 16:29:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: EAKAUF@INDSVAX1.BITNET Subject: Re: Columbus, women and network communication My apologies for replying to what I thought WAS a private note from Janis. Hope you all get to enjoy our interchange ... it's like reading the final chapter of a book when you didn't get to see the middle. Apologies. Sue Kaufman ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1991 16:26:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: EAKAUF@INDSVAX1.BITNET Subject: Re: Columbus, women and network communication Funny you should mention BACKLASH ... I had to choose between coming to the computer to check my mail or going to the phone and ordering the book. It seems in the past two days where-ever I go or whoever I talk with, I'm hearing how I should read this book. You are right about the cohesion of focus of the media ... and that's quite natural given the constructs of journalism as it has been viewed as a discipline over the years. News is judged by its timeliness, proximity, value to great segments of people, conflict etc. It is also interesting to note that journalists have been schooled in the mythical cult of objectivity. If we define news to include those issues upon which we conflict, we then thrust news into a dualistic, linear plane. The cult of objectivity demands non-connectedness, non-involvement of the observer/reporter. Let me give you an example of how news "happens". Back in the early 1980s I was city editor of a newspaper here in Terre Haute IN. Juste then I was finishing my masters and had occasion to have as a student in my Speech 101 class a woman who had been one of the twins to survive Mengele. During my time as city editor this woman, who had first spoken publicly about her Auschwitz experiences went to a holocaust gathering. She found other twins and she founded a group of twins surivors. People in this community dismissed her work. The news paper editor argued with me about following her activities. I began writing a column and wrote as frequently as I could about what she was up to. Then she planned a visit of the TWINS to Auschwitz ... the first time that these surviving victims would return to the place they were tortured and imprisoned. I personally helped her lick stamps to get mailings out ... she sought press attention and it was very difficult to come by. Getting beyond Indianapolis was tough, but finally The Chicago Sun Times began to carry a story or two. She launched a campaign to find Mengele and bingo! After just a short time, his "bones" showed up in South America. I remember assigning another reporter to cover the hearing that Eva Kor scheduled into this finding. She hoped to bring the national and international media's attention to bear on what she said was a ruse. People laughed. But she held her inquest anyway...well, to make a very long and complicated story short ... here we are in 1991. Eva has led the twins to Auschwitz twice ... she's been on Larry King, Oprah, blah, blah, blah. Kent State did a video about the twins ... A New York writer did a book ... NOW ... almost a decade since she began, 60 Minutes and Lesley Stahl have told her story .... they came to Terre Haute a couple weeks ago and the program will air in January. What does this all mean? Well, as Eva pointed out the other day. She had sent numerous inquiries, letters etc. to 60-Minutes .... but it wasn't until; the book came out that any one was interested. All of this is far more complicated than just this story...but it should give you some insight into the craziness of this business. Right now I'm finishing my dissertation on -Developing Leadership Among Academic Women in Journalism and Mass Communication: a conceptual model - What I'm addressing is the fact that we still have very, very few (less than 10% of leaders in accredited programs) women as deans, chairs etc.rs, The male-model of journalism has been developed, enshrined, preserved and carried forward by the academic world. If it is to change, we must change the academic model as well as the role of the practitioner. Well, that all was pretty disjointed, but I must read Faludi, as I've referenced Chadrow and Gilligan in my work as well. Also Belenky and yes, Kahn. More soon. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1991 20:54:35 MST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: nancy felipe russo Subject: ASU Position I'm already starting to get asked if the ASU Director position in Joan's announcement is mine and the answer is yes. I am stepping down after 7 years to write books and catch up on scholarship. I'm posting this to the list to ask all of you to spread the word and if you are qualified encourage you to apply. It is a WONDERFUL job. The faculty (58 in all) are terrific, the staff is so motivated and able the nuts and bolts of the program practically run themselves; the students are enthusiastic and the administration is supportive. This is a PLUM position in my mind--ASU is the 6th largest university in the U.S. and we have SUNSHINE (think about that over the holidays.....). Kristin Valentine, head of the Search Committee, is a former President of the Faculty Senate and chairs the Women's Studies Advisory Committee and will answer any questions (I'm staying out of the search process other than to encourage people to apply, as per our protocol at ASU). Contact her! Nancy Felipe Russo, Ph.D. Director, Women's Studies ASU, Tempe, AZ 85287-1801 (602)965-2358 FAX:(602)965-2357 BITNET: ATNFR@ASUACAD ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1991 22:49:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Arnie Kahn Subject: yes, this is what I was getting at >In my just-completed "sociology of the family" course I got a fair number of >"great course, except for the male-bashing" kind of comments. Apparently, >this response is generated by any presentation that doesn't take patriarchy >for granted. This is what I was getting at in my original post on this issue. Cliff is lucky that one of his students didn't file a formal complaint about "male bashing." I know Women's Studies instructors for whom this has happened. The result can be a chilling effect and lead to self-censorship, where ones goes easy on patriarchy for fear of negative reviews and/or formal complaints. This is so frustrating because of the number of women students who endure unwarranted harassment so frequently (e.g., male chemistry instructor, "You girls in here are going to have trouble, because you're used to doing well by simply memorizing...") without complaining. Then men learn a bit of a truth and shout, "HARASSMENT!" I find this interesting/frustrating in that when I taught women's studies in the past (mid-1970s to 1981) this did not happen. Men who took the women's studies courses tried to understand or at least stayed quiet. I was out of academia from 1981-1986 and out of women's studies until last spring. Things have changed; we've gotten more conservative--I think the men are more scared. Any suggestions on how to deal with this? Arnie Kahn fac_askahn@jmuvax or fac_askahn@vax1.acs.jmu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1991 07:48:10 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: K_COOK@UNHH.UNH.EDU Subject: RE: yes, this is what I was getting at so, then, how do we prepare ourselves for such events? i have not taught a women's studies course, but i do teach my sociology courses from a feminist perspective and i have had some student's complain about my negative attitude toward men. the complaints are not very common, but they do happen enough to induce me to examine my role. next semester i'll tecah (oops, that is "teach") intro to criminology, a class known for attracting "macho" guys who want to hear the blood and guts stories of homicides and other sensationalized crimes (like on TV!) and i have not taught that yet. any advice you may have will be well appreciated. arnie? cliff? anyone? thanks, kimberly j. cook k_cook (oops...) k_cook@unhh.unh.edu (i need more coffee!) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1991 08:14:16 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sandra Basgall Subject: RE: yes, this is what I was getting at There is an excellent journal, _Feminist Teacher_, which addresses many of these issues as well as how to introduce feminist thoughts into all teaching. I recommend it highly. Sandra Basgall SBASGALL@VAXA.WEEG.UIOWA.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1991 09:39:57 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "P.K. Jamison" Set WMST-L NOMAIL ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1991 09:51:01 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "P.K. Jamison" Change of e-mail address. JamisonP@IUBACS (Bitnet) JamisonP@UCS.Indiana.Edu (Internet/Jnet) Thank you, Pierrette K. Jamison ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1991 11:00:30 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: cliff staples Subject: RE: yes, this is what I was getting at In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 23 Dec 1991 07:48:10 -0500 from I certainly don't want to set myself up as any expert at teaching feminism (!), but since people asked, I'll share a little of what I TRY to do vis a vis feminism and male students. 1. I always try to point out the costs of patriarchy for men-- the shallow emotional life, strict expectations, poor health, problematic intimacy (I read excerpts from John Stoltenberg's _Refusing To Be A Man_), unbalanced life (workaholism), obbsessive need for control, etc. etc. The idea here is not to fall into the trap of portraying women as essentially victims and men as essentially oppressors. Convenient though it may be to get some points across sometimes, this tack comes back to haunt you. If you can get men to speak honestly about the pain they have experienced in their lives and then discover the connections between that pain and patriarchy (as well as racism, economic power, etc.). then it seems easier to get the point across that you are opposed to patriachy, not men. 2. Whenever the women in class do get into "male bashing," which they do (many have a lot of justifiable anger at men... come to think of it, so do I) at times, I call them on it. I insist whenever they make a statement such as "men do ____" that they substitute "patriarchy instructs and rewards men for doing _____." This creates a useful space between what we consider a "bad thing" (i.e. patriarchy) and any individual man. I then try to develop the idea that the space between patriarchy and men needs to grow much wider. Once we show that being a man and patriarchy are not the same thing, we bring to consciousness the notion that patriarchal manhood is a moral and political choice-- one we can, a la Stoltenberg, "refuse" to to choose. 3. I also try to let the males know that feminist revolution implies not only changes for men, but also changes for women. So we spend quite a bit of time in class talking about the ways in which many things that women do help to sustain patriarchy. The women in my class like it a lot that I take a feminist approach to teaching a course like "the family" because at first it seems like only the guys will be asked to take a close look at their self-conceptions, expectations, and behavior. But when I start talking about how all the rituals associated with marriage, children, etc. are sexist, the women get a little nervous. They want the men to change sure enough, but many also want to buy _Bride Magazine_, have "baby showers" and otherwise continue women's business as usual. I tell them "no way." Feminism does not mean guys get to do all the changing and women, being essentially pure and good, just sit by and establish the standards for male behavior. Nor can they expect men to adopt female traditions. All of it must be revolutionized. This approach appeals to a male's sense of fair play, and it seems many are also willing to consider changing once they realize that changes will also be expected of women. At no point, however, do I suggest that men and women benefit or suffer equally from patriarchy or that the changes expected from each are the same. The trick, and it's a tough one, is to be feminist and male affirmative at the same time. 4. This approach seems to work OK with about 75% of the men. The other 25% will see what we do as "male bashing" no matter what. These are the guys who benefit so much from patriarchy that they can't imagine giving it up, or the one's who are so terrified by powerful men they will do anything to stay on their good side. And of course there are those who come to half a dozen classes, hear what you say on those occasions out of context, know they are going to get a "D" or "F" and so try to "frag" you on your course evaluations with a "male bashing" accusation. The only remedy in the latter case is to remind your dean that a certain % of students are emotionally unfit for college and should have been classified 4F. (Don't mind me. It's just the way I feel sometimes). One final point. The above discussion is heterosexist/heterocentrist. Please keep in mind that in talking about "the family" I neither take patriarchy nor heterosexuality for granted. It's just that the context out of which charges of male-bashing is likely to emerge is one in which the focus is intimate relationships between men and women. I do try to remind people that these are not the only kind of intimate relationships worth talking about, or the only kind of relationships around which families get organized. How to deal with accusations of being "pro-homosexual" will be discussed in class tomorrow. Best wishes to all, Cliff Staples ###################################### CLIFFORD L. STAPLES # DEPARTMENT OF SOCIOLOGY # BOX 8192 UNIVERSITY STATION # GRAND FORKS, NORTH DAKOTA 58202 # OFFICE 701-777-4417 # BITNET: UD153289@NDSUVM1 # ###################################### ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1991 13:14:29 MST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: nancy felipe russo Regarding techniques to avoid the charge of male-bashing--it's important to educate both the chair and the dean. I decided to educate my chair by forwarding some of the comments by Cliff and Arnie (2 men talking about how to avoid charges of male bashing--i love its educational possibilities). I agree the charge is inevitable if you are doing your job right. I do 2 things that help. First, on the first day I talk about standards and academic values, show that the course is going to be a LOT of work; then I give them a hard test early. The students (mostly men) who are in the course because they see it as easy or to harass me usually drop out as it is not worth it. Then, early on I discuss the difference between critiquing male entitlement and privilege and attacking male persons. I describe the story in the movie The Good Earth (based on Pearl S. Buck's novel) and recommend they rent it from the local video store.(For those of you who may no know the story, it's complicated with multiple themes, but what I focu on is how this man is so happy that he's going to have a wife, gets a wonder- ful wife, they are 'in love', etc., and then the outside world interferes in many ways, but basically by beating over the head telling him he has to exercise male privilege and so he does it and ruins his life. It's a great story with a wonderful "wicked women" character who is a good example of what happens when you deny women direct power and give them access to influence only through their sexual charms, etc. Pearl S. Buck has some great femisist stuff in her writings. And remember, she warned us in the 40s to watch out women would lose all our employment gains when the men came back from the war because we women would be so thrilled to have them back we'd do anything for them, spoil them, and lose everything we'd gained and sure enough, we got the 50s. Nancy Felipe Russo, Ph.D. Director, Women's Studies ASU, Tempe, AZ 85287-1801 (602)965-2358 FAX:(602)965-2357 BITNET: ATNFR@ASUACAD ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1991 12:46:27 PST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Holly Devor Subject: Re: Am. Native Women In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 12 Dec 1991 09:26:27 -0500 from Re: Native Studies There is a dept of Native American Studies at The University of Lethbridge 4401 University Drive Lethbridge, Alberta Canada T1K 3M4 Holly Devor HHDD@UVVM.UVIC.CA ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1991 17:20:00 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: MATKOVIC@SASK.USASK.CA Subject: MYTHOLOGY thanks to all who helped with the references. have a good time off (marking, at least) iva. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1991 15:48:00 PST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: DWONG@POMONA.CLAREMONT.EDU Subject: The male gaze Does anyone know where the idea of "the male gaze" originated? I'd appreciate a name, or an article title. Deborah Wong Dept of Music Pomona College DWONG@POMONA.CLAREMONT.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1991 11:38:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: DDGREEN@OWUCOMCN.BITNET Subject: Gender bias in faculty evaluation Can any list subscribers suggest an expert on gender bias in faculty evaluation for retention, tenure and promotion? I am planning some possible programming at my college on this topic. I am interested in a person who could talk with students and faculty about gender bias in faculty evaluation, especially student bias against women faculty. Any ideas? I have already researched the topic and have several journal articles that study gender bias in student evaluation of faculty. Thanks! Denise D. Green, Ohio Wesleyan University DDGREEN@OWUCOMCN (bitnet) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1991 13:28:13 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Richard A Weibl Subject: Re: Gender bias in faculty evaluation In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 30 Dec 1991 11:38:00 EDT > Can any list subscribers suggest an expert > on gender bias in faculty evaluation for > retention, tenure and promotion? I am planning > some possible programming at my college on this > topic. I am interested in a person who could talk > with students and faculty about gender bias in > faculty evaluation, especially student bias > against women faculty. Any ideas? I have already > researched the topic and have several journal > articles that study gender bias in student > evaluation of faculty. Thanks! > Denise D. Green, Ohio Wesleyan University > DDGREEN@OWUCOMCN (bitnet) > Denise...it might be worth a phone call to two people affiliated with the OSU Center for Teaching Excellence who could give you some information. The best would be Nancy Chism, Director of Faculty and TA Development (614-292-3544) followed by Roger Sell, Director of Organizational Development (292-4316). Nancy is perhaps more broadly familiar with the literatures around faculty evaluation, but Roger has been integral in the "Focus on Teaching Project" which is attempting to emphasize and institutionalize teaching in the formal evaluation (P&T) processes of the university. Good Luck! Ric ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1991 16:06:54 MST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: nancy felipe russo Subject: Re: Gender bias in faculty evaluation In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 30 Dec 1991 11:38:00 EDT from Florence (Lindy) Geis (Psych, U. Delaware) has some wonderful materials/ research on evaluation bias with lots of references to scholarly publications in addition to more "popular" brochures that explain evaluation bias (it is not specific to faculty evaluation, but the principles apply). Nancy Felipe Russo, Ph.D. Director, Women's Studies ASU, Tempe, AZ 85287-1801 (602)965-2358 FAX:(602)965-2357 BITNET: ATNFR@ASUACAD ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1991 19:32:01 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: LL23000 Subject: Re: Gender bias in faculty evaluation In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of MON 30 DEC 1991 18:06:54 EST I would appreciate having this subject summarized to the list when all the answers are in. (Yes, I'd like to know more about the subject, but I don't want to do the work myself--I admit it!) Karen Kay ll23%nemomus@academic.nemostate.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1991 22:11:40 MST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "ext. 2008" Subject: RE: Gender bias in faculty evaluation >Can any list subscribers suggest an expert >on gender bias in faculty evaluation for >retention, tenure and promotion? I am planning >some possible programming at my college on this >topic. I am interested in a person who could talk >with students and faculty about gender bias in >faculty evaluation, especially student bias >against women faculty. Any ideas? I have already >researched the topic and have several journal >articles that study gender bias in student >evaluation of faculty. Thanks! >Denise D. Green, Ohio Wesleyan University >DDGREEN@OWUCOMCN (bitnet) I, too, am interested in hearing more on this topic. Perhaps, Denise can summarize the results of her research for us? 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