WMST-L LOG9307C ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 17:29:09 GMT+1200 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Wsst8 Otago Organization: University of Otago Subject: Penn Dear List, After reading the latest messages concerning this backlash at the university, I would like to offer my support from way over here in N.Z.If there is anything that can be done from this distance it would be great to help out. Anna D ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 06:28:36 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Bat Sheva Subject: Re: inforM Women's Studies Database can you give me some more details on the above topic? thanks, bat-sheva. exit ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 07:57:12 -0400 Reply-To: kelloggj@bcvms.bc.edu Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jennifer Kellogg Subject: Help finding results Hello all! This morning on Good Morning America there was a women's health survey cited that I would like to get my hands on. The only info they gave regarding it's origin was "The Commonwealth Fund". Does anyone know what this is or where I might be able to get a copy of the survey results? Please respond privately. Thanks for the help. Jennifer +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Jennifer Kellogg Internet - KELLOGGJ@BCVMS.BC.EDU Bitnet - KELLOGGJ@BCVMS "Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 08:03:25 -0400 Reply-To: kelloggj@bcvms.bc.edu Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jennifer Kellogg Subject: Help with survey Oops! It was CBS This Morning, not Good Morning America. Thanks again, Jennifer +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Jennifer Kellogg Internet - KELLOGGJ@BCVMS.BC.EDU Bitnet - KELLOGGJ@BCVMS "Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 08:19:00 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Melba Jesudason Subject: Re: BACKLASH AT PENN STATE All the thoughtful strategies suggested by the original message are excellent. I am impressed. I hope that the women at Penn follow these suggestions, one every other week, till they make the people in power take them seriously and resolve the conflict to every one's satisfaction. Melba Jesudason Internet:jesuda@macc.wisc.edu College Library Bitnet:jesuda@wiscmacc.bitnet 600 N. Park St. Phone:(608) 263-7464 University of Wisconsin FAX: (608) 265-2754 Madison, WI 53706 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 09:44:54 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Nancy Seale Osborne Subject: Re: BACKLASH AT PENN STATE In-Reply-To: <9307142038.AA15001@oswego-gw> Beatrice, I think individual letters are very important, and I am glad you think so, too. However, and I want this to be respectful and hope you take it as such, your comment "we could ask nwsa..."--NWSA is US, those of us who belong, those of us who stopped out, those of us who are in the leadership now, those of us who aren't in the leadership but are doing other NWSA-related things. So, yes, NWSA might be able to become involved in the Penn State situation, but "we could ask nswa" just doesn't cut it. Respectfully yours, Nancy Osborne osborne@oswego.oswego.edu On Wed, 14 Jul 1993, Beatrice Kachuck wrote: > i suggest that we deal with the backlash at penn state in an organized fashion > in addition to individual letters. we could ask nwsa to call for reports of bac > klash against women's studies programs in order to track them, formulate a resp > onse and act on it and ask ws program coordinators/directors to respond. beatri > ce ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 09:12:29 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Bob Bender Subject: Re: unorthodox romance In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 13 Jul 1993 10:35:51 EST from Judith Rossner's 1977 novel ATTACHMENTS is about two married couples involving a pair of Siamese twins. Rosellen Brown's TENDER MERCIES (1978) explores a marriage relationship after a boating incident in which the husband accidental- ly mangles his wife's body by running the boat over her while she's swimming. Bob Bender engbob@mizzou1 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1993 17:46:58 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Connie Koppelman Subject: lilith State University of New York at Stony Brook Stony Brook, NY 11794-3456 Constance E Koppelman Womens Studies 516 632-9176 14-Jul-1993 05:31pm EDT FROM: CKOPPELMAN TO: Remote Addressee ( _wmst-l@umdd.umd.edu ) Subject: lilith I have been looking for visual images of Lilith and hoping that some of you in art or literature may have come across reproductions or illustrations of the biblical Lilith or any of her incarnations in any time period. Although Lilith in literature is not what I'm after, perhaps some writings you've seen are illustrated, and this would be helpful. I've found very little so far, looking at museum catalogs and wish the the Museum Computer Network was truely a network of all museum holdings. Instead, it is just a mechanism for internal use by museum registrars. Theoretically it has the potential for becoming a network, in which any subject or artist's name etc. could be accessed and one could find out immediately what is available in those categories. According to one of the inventors of the system, there was resistence on the part of museums to the completing of the museum computer network. Therefore, in addition to library resources, I am turning to the Women's Studies Network and hoping someone out there can help. Many thanks. Address your replies to CKoppelman@SBCCmail. Bitnet ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 11:29:18 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Julie Tharp Subject: sex harassment I will be doing a workshop on sexual harassment with a group of high school teachers at the end of August. I would like to present them with an overview of the types of secondary school harassment cases that have been taken to court in the last few years. Has anyone kept track of these? A bibliography or a review article would be wonderful if anyone knows of one. Thanks, Julie jtharp@uwcmail.uwc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 11:43:25 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Marita McComiskey Subject: Graduate Program I have a former student in my office who has a BA in Women's Studies, has been working for a year and is now interested in attending grad school. She is looking for a recommendation for a school where she can get a MA in either WS or applied sociology with a focus on research in sexual violence. Please respond to me and I will pass on the info. Marita McComiskey MCCOMISK@UCONNVM Women's Studies Box 181 UCONN, Storrs, CT 06269 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 11:55:29 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Julie Tharp Subject: call for papers CALL FOR PAPERS WOMEN'S WRITING: Proposals or completed essays are invited for an anthology on literature by women writing about physical, emotional and/or sexual assault or abuse. Possible approaches include textual, sociological, psychological, psychoanalytic, historical, aesthetic, biographical, ethnic, or, ideally, interdisciplinary. Suggested topics include creation of safe space (through writing), from silence to voice, encoded texts, post-traumatic stress disorder, female development and sexuality. Authors one might consider would include Virginia Woolf, Maya Angelou, Toni Morrison, Joy Kogawa, Maxine Hong Kingston, Alice Walker, Helena Maria Viramontes, Christa Wolf, Anne Sexton, Sylvia Plath, and the Brontes. Articles on writers not considered "professional," for example those included in recent anthologies on women's experiences of sexual abuse, are also appropriate. Send 500-word proposals by December 15 to Julie Tharp, University of Wisconsin Center-Marshfield, 2000 W. Fifth, P.O. Box 150, Marshfield, WI 54449 or to Tomoko Kuribayashi, Dept. of English, 207 Lind Hall, University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, MN 55455. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 09:08:07 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: SUE MANSFIELD Subject: Re: percentage of women in NWSA, NCTE? Susan et al, Can't give you the exact percentage of women in NWSA's membership - but I know it is not 100%. Probably around 97 or 98%, though there is at least one man who is a life member! If exact figure is important, could see if someone at national office has time to do a check on the membership list. Sue Mansfield SMANSFIELD@BENSON.CLAREMONT.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 12:42:51 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: micki Subject: Re: lilith In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 14 Jul 1993 17:46:58 -0400 from On Wed, 14 Jul 1993 17:46:58 -0400 Connie Koppelman said: >---------------------- Information from the mail header ----------------------- >Sender: Women's Studies List >Poster: Connie Koppelman >Subject: lilith >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > State University of New York at Stony Brook > Stony Brook, NY 11794-3456 > > Constance E Koppelman > Womens Studies > 516 632-9176 > 14-Jul-1993 05:31pm EDT >FROM: CKOPPELMAN >TO: Remote Addressee ( _wmst-l@umdd.umd.edu ) > >Subject: lilith > >I have been looking for visual images of Lilith and hoping that some of you in >art or literature may have come across reproductions or illustrations of the What a good question. I would be pleased to know what you get but here,s a suggestion that may prove fruitful for medieval iconography: look for devil imagery. Lilith, after all, became Lucifer,s wife in some versions of the story. In the Gardner Museum in Boston there is a stunning female devil being slain by St.George. It,s in the music room and when I saw it several years ago I was much moved by the viciousness of the imagery. Unfortunately, there was no slide or reproduction available of it and I haven't been able to return to see it again. It,s a Spanish ptg, as I recall, and was perhaps (?) l6th century. My notes aren,t handy, and I,ve been sidetracked from that art and religion problem at the moment. best wishes, Maureen Korp, PhD University of Ottawa mkorp@uottawa mkorp@acadvm1.uottawa.ca ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 09:55:41 -0800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: SUE MANSFIELD Subject: Re: Graduate Program Anyone interessted in graduate work in Women's Studies might start with the "Guide to Graduate ....in Women's Studies" published by NWSA. It's a little out-of-date, having been published in '91 - but it's still the best general guide available. Send request and check to NWSA University of Maryland College Park, MD 20742-1325 A second edition is being undertaken, but it will not be available until next spring at the earliest. Sue Mansfield ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 13:25:04 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Martha Rapp Subject: Re: statistics In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 13 Jul 1993 23:33:16 -0400 from Kay, I would suggest * WAC STATS : the facts about women * complied by the Women's n Coalition and distributed by W.W. Norton, an updated edition came out this year and it only costs $5 (isbn# 1565841220). It is a great source for current statistics on a whole range of women's issues. I've found it quite handy as a quick reference for a number of projects. Good luck. Martha Rapp ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 13:41:52 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Liz McMahon Subject: About Chilly Climate Thanks for the suggestions so far. Several people have written asking for information about what the chilly climate idea is, so here's a brief synopsis plus reference: In 1982, the Project on the Status and Education of Women of the Assn. of American Colleges developed a paper (pamphlet?) called: The Classroom Climate: A Chilly One For Women? It was written by Roberta M. Hall with the assistance of Bernice R. Sandler, who is the executive Director of the Project on Ed. & Status of Wm.(How embarassing not to give due credit where credit is due). The paper outlines "the subtle - and not-so-subtle - ways in which women and men students are often treated differently, and to indicate specific actions [faculty, students and administrators] can take to create a learning climate that best fosters the intellectual growth of all students." Subheaders: How "small" behaviors can create a chilly calssroom climate The power of wrods The classroom's silent language Subtle messages in class participation patterns Groups of women who may be especially affected Facilitating change Recommendations This is one of the most powerful teaching tools I have ever seen or used. I try to read it again halfway through each semester to see how I am doing, and usually find something I should be doing differently. Such is the ability of the human mind to hold on to info? I highly recommend it, for faculty, but also especially for students (in WS classes; we used it in Gender and Science) to help them see the ways men are privileged in classes. Our students insisted everything was fine at our college - until reading this and taking a closer look at their classes, and then they got mad. A wonderful learning tool! It says: Additional copies of this paper may be obtained for $3.00 from the Project on the Status and Education of Women Association of American Colleges 1818 R St., NW Washington DC 20009 (202)387-1300 but that was several years ago. It also says bulk rates are available. -Liz McMahon, Math, Lafayette College, Easton PA 18042 ME#0@LAFAYACS.BITNET ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 14:23:39 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Linda Paige - Georgia Southern University Subject: Re: plays by women Hi Everybody: I agree with Joan Gabriele that PLAYS BY WOMEN is a fine volume. I would add, however, that Methuen has seven volumes now of PLAYS BY WOMEN. I used vol. 7 in an Honors class, Contemporary British and American Female Playwrights. All of the plays were interesting, especially THATCHER'S WOMEN by Kay Adshead and NIGHT by Marie Laberge. I too am interested in plays by women. I wonder why no one has published a collection of contemporary plays by American female play- wrights. I wonder, for instance, why no such volume exists that con- tains plays by playwrights such as Marsha Norman and Beth Henley. We too have some fine contemporary playwrights. When I taught an English 290 class on American Female Playwrights, I had a pickle of a time coming up with texts. None was affordable, or, for that matter, available. This is my first love--and the subject area of my dissertation (which I am in the process of revising for publica- tion, or should I say, "possible publication"?) For my 290 class and for my 411 Honors class, I ended up using a lot of individual plays. I would be interested in learning of any collections of plays by women. Ina xxxxxxxxxxOooops---In addition, I would like any suggestions for another course I will be teaching in the Fall. I will be teaching another 290 course, this time on Contemporary American Male and Female Playwrights. I need to keep book prices down. I understand that a book on contemporary plays of the 80s exists. Does anyone know of any other good ones? Linda Rohrer Paige Dept. of Eng and Phil Georgia Southern U. Statesboro, GA 30460-8023 Oh yes--does anyone have any syllabi for courses on plays by women? I have tried to access syllabi before on the computer and have made some error, I suppose. I have yet to get even one of the syllabi I've requested. Hopefully, I will resolve the problem soon, but at this point, I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 15:51:08 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Barbara.T.Norton@CYBER.WIDENER.EDU Subject: Penn State vs Penn In-Reply-To: <9307150536.AA26012@umd5.umd.edu> Just for the record, as a Penn State PhD I feel compelled to point out that The Pennsylvania State University and Penn (The University of Pennsylvania) are NOT the same institution. For the record also, it saddens me very much to learn about the Backlash against Women's Studies at a university whose History faculty were at least partly responsible for nudging me in the direction of Women's History. ******************************************************************************** Barbara T. Norton Professor of History --Office tel.: (215) 499-4343 Widener University --Home tel.: (215) 566-6713 One University Place --Internet: barbara.t.norton@cyber.widener.edu Chester, PA 19013 USA ******************************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 15:42:00 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Phyllis Holman Weisbard Subject: Re: plays by women There are two recent reference works on playwrighting/feminism and theater that are chuck full of information that should be helpful in planning courses: AMERICAN WOMEN PLAYWRIGHTS, 1964-1989: A RESEARCH GUIDE AND ANNOATED BIBLIOGRAPHY, by Christy Gavin (NY; Garland, 1993). This has a comprehensive listing of full-length plays by women and lists interviews and reviews. DRAMATIC RE-VISIONS: AN ANNOATATED BIBLIOGRAPHY OF FEMINISM AND THEATRE, 1972-1988, by Susan M. Steadman (Chicago: American Library Association, 1991). This one emphasizes feminist theater and the interrelationship of feminism and theater. **************** Phyllis Holman Weisbard (608) 263-5754 Acting Women's Studies Librarian pweis@wiscmacc (Bitnet) University of Wisconsin System pweis@macc.wisc.edu (Internet) Room 430 Memorial Library 728 State Street Madison, WI 53706 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 20:45:40 -0400 Reply-To: corjb%rhodes.bitnet@UMBC2.UMBC.EDU Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: gay/lesbian/bi library holdings I am posting this for someone who is not a WMST-L subscriber. I have set a reply-to header so that responses will automatically go to the person making the request rather than to the list. I hope. :-) Joan Korenman ******************************************************* I am a rising senior at Rhodes College, Memphis, Tennessee and it was suggested to me by a friend on another list that I post this request here. Under the Women's Studies Program here at Rhodes, I am trying to improve our library's collection of gay/lesbian/bisexual literature, both fiction and nonfiction. The whole section on gender needs some work, but my particular area of focus is on gay/lesbian/bisexual work. To do so, I need to come up with a list of titles. If you have any books that come under any of these headings, could you please send the title, author/editor, publisher and copyright date to me? I'd greatly appreciate this. Send it to CORJB@RHODES.BITNET Many, many thanks, Jason Briggs Cormier CORJB@RHODES.BITNET ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 17:34:28 GMT+0930 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Xalid: Cataloguing Librarian NTU" Organization: NT University Library, Australia Subject: LCSH I'd be interested to hear from anyone who would like to discuss LC Subject Headings relating to women -- and gays and any other groups subsumed under the rubric "minorities". My desire is to chart the ways in which LCSH supports the patriarchal paradigm by stressing "man" (white/heterosexual) as the universal referrant and parsing women (and others) as other. I am specifically interested in (a) text as power and (b) how libraries might reconfigure LCSH to the benefit of those groups which are currently only contextualized in respect of their alterity. Xalid ******************************************************************** Xalid ABD-UL-WAHID, Cataloguing Librarian, NT University Library, PO Box 41246, Casuarina, Northern Territory, Australia Telephone:+61-89-466-011*work* Telephone:+61-89-481-802*home* Facsimile:+61-89-451-317* ********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 13:45:00 GMT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Karlin J. Lillington" Subject: men and masculinity Two books that I would highly recommend are: Eve Kosofsky Sedgwick: Between Men: English Literature and Male Homosocial Desire """: Epistomology of the Closet Her argument that male behaviour is surveyed and controlled by the fear of being perceived as homosexual--what she calls 'male homosexual panic--unless a man is gay and entirely out of the closet, is fascinating. Every man I have discussed this with, gay, straight or bi, confirms this. She is marvelous on gay issues. Her concern in the first book is to show how women are implicated in the 'male homosocial continuum' (based on Adrienne Rich's lesbian continuum, of course); how homophobia and sexism are both part of patriarchy. However, she is quick to point out where feminism and what she calls 'antihomophobic theory' diverge. She also reveals the way in which women function as elements of 'exchange' between men on the continuum. Both books are heavy going at times, especially __Epistomology__, but parts are very extractable as readings, but more importantly, I think they are essential to understanding the construction of masculinity at least within western culture, and to pointing out that gay theory is central to understanding gender issues, rather than a peripheral sub-specialty. If you are doing anything on the visual representation of men, there are a couple of good essays towards the end of The Screen Reader in Sexuality, recently pub. by Routledge. These concern men in film. Again, very theoretical but good background for a lecturer! One is by Neale; I can't rmember all the others but Richard Dyer's is good, too. Karlin Lillington Dept. of Modern English Trinity College Dublin klllngtn@vax1.tcd.ie exit ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 09:50:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: am68 Subject: Re: lilith In-Reply-To: <9307151659.AA22046@umd5.umd.edu> I have checked the Judaica sources (Ency. Judaica, etc) and found several mentions but no illustrations. I have passed your request to our art librarian who did not know about Lilith and was intrigued - for anyone who does not know about this "first feminist" - see Encyclopedia Judaica. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 09:57:18 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "THERE GOES THE GSLIS IMAGE...." Subject: Re: LCSH check out the writings of Sanford Berman... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 10:15:00 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Phyllis Holman Weisbard Subject: Re: lilith THE BOOK OF LILITH, by Barbara Black Koltuv (York Beach, Maine: Nicholas-Hays, 1987) has a number of illustrations of Lilith, as well as amulets and Aramaic incantation bowls. Most are credited to museum collections. There is also a five-page bibliography. Perhaps a search of JOURNAL OF JEWISH ART, or a letter to that journal asking readers for suggestions would be helpful. ******** Phyllis Holman Weisbard (608) 263-5754 Acting Women's Studies Librarian pweis@wiscmacc (Bitnet) University of Wisconsin System pweis@macc.wisc.edu (Internet) Room 430 Memorial Library 728 State Street Madison, WI 53706 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 11:35:28 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jean Shackelford Subject: Counting Non-Market Work I am forwarding the following message from FEMECON-L. Please pass this information along to others in your institution who might be interested. Jean Shackelford Department of Economics Bucknell University Lewisburg, PA 17837 717-524-3441 jshackel@bucknell.edu *************************** Counting Housework Congresswoman Barbara-Rose Collins has introduced a bill to Congress known as the Unremunerated Work Act of 1993. This bill would require the Bureau of Labor Statistics to conduct time-use surveys to measure the unwaged labor of women and men, both in their homes and in their communities, and to include these measures in U.S. national statistics, including the Gross National Product. (The text of the bill is appended to this message). The bill is currently awaiting comments from the Bureau of Labor (which does not seem particularly sympathetic) and other agencies and persons. This is a crucial period of time for social scientists to express their opinion about the bill. Please consider sending an individual letter to your Representative and Senators. Valerie Voorheis and I are planning a major campaign to collect endorsements from social scientists. If you support the bill, please send us your name, discipline, and institutional affiliation. My e-mail address is folbre@ucsvax.ucs.umass.edu My mailing address is Department of Economics, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003. Phone: 413-545-3283. Please forward this message to any other e-mail networks that might be interested, and help us coordinate the signature campaign. HR 966 A bill to require the Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor Statistics to conduct time use surveys of unremunerated work performed in the United Sates and to calculate the monetary value of such work. Be it enacted by the Senate and the House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, Section 1. Short Title. This Act may be cited as the "Unremunerated Work Act of 1993". Section 2. Findings. The Congress finds the following: 1) Women perform 2/3 of the work in the world relating to the production of goods and services. 2) The United National General Assembly in 1985 adopted a resolution which included part of the Forward Looking Strategies for the Advancement of Women, which states that "the remunerated and, in particular, the unremunerated contributions of women to all aspects and sectors of development should be recognized and appropriate efforts should be made to measure and reflect these contributions in national accounts and economic statistics and in the gross national product." 3) The resolution also states that "concrete steps should be taken to quantify the unremunerated contribution of women to agriculture, food production, reproduction, and household activities". 4) The unremunerated contribution by women to the economy of the United States should be recognized. Section 3. Calculation of Monetary Value of Unremunerated Work a) TIME USE SURVEYS OF UNREMUNERATED WORK-The Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor Statistics shall periodically conduct time use surveys of unremunerated work performed in the United States, including household work, work related to child care and other care services, agricultural; work, work related to food production, work related to family businesses, and volunteer work. b) MONETARY VALUE OF UNREMUNERATED WORK-On the basis of the time use surveys of unremunerated work conducted under subsection (a), the Comissioner shall calculate the monetary value of such unremunerated work. Separate monetary values shall be calculated for men and women. c) INCLUSION IN GROSS NATIONAL PRODUCT-Beginning three years after the date of the enactment of this Act, the monetary value of the unremunerated work calculated pursuant to subsection (b) shall be included in statistics used to determine the annual gross national product of the United States. d) METHOD OF CALCULATION-Not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Commissioner shall submit a report to the Congress describing the method by which the Commissioner will conduct time use surveys of unremunerated work performed in the United States and calculate the monetary value of such unremunerated work. **************************************************************** Jean Shackelford Department of Economics jshackel@bucknell.ed Bucknell University 717-524-1476 Lewisburg, PA 17837 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 11:35:51 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jane Elza Subject: Re: Backlash at Penn State (fwd) There's an article in here somewhere: The reactions of the WMST list members that I've read have been to view the action of the lionheart as a part of a larger backlash. The chilly climate list responses have focused on the nature of the harassment rather than the action of the women. The law and ed list and the accademic freedom list have responded pretty much like the message below. I haven't seen a response from the university administrator's list. The Sociologists Against Sexual Harassment list offered qualified support for the women. It would be interesting to see if the private messages corresponded with the public. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 09:34:41 -0500 From: harden daniel To: Multiple recipients of list EDLAW Subject: Re: Backlash at Penn State In response to Brendan McCullagh: Not only was your suggestion of "ingnoring the little pukes" on target, but a rant like these ladies indulged in is far more likely to make me sympathetic with "the little pukes" than with the ladies. Three cheers for the Lionheart! Daniel Harden Washburn University Topeka, Kansas ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 11:46:31 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: IANA PATTATUCCI Subject: URGENT HELP NEEDED I do not have time to explain in detail, but I just found out that I am being investigated by the Congress of the United States in connection with my research in sexual orientation and the recent media attention to the SCIENCE paper on which I am the senior author. I NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM THIS LIST IMMEDIATELY. I am so upset that I can't remember how to do it. Please do not write to my address. My account will be canceled as soon as I can arrange it and I won't be back on until this is all over. In the meantime to protect all of you from any harrassment, I need to be removed. I am on the digest. Thanks, Angela (iana) Pattatucci ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 12:18:49 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Dawn Hughes Subject: Re: Backlash at Penn State (fwd) In-Reply-To: <9307161610.AA10055@umd5.umd.edu>; from "Jane Elza" at Jul 16, 93 11:35:51 am > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 09:34:41 -0500 > From: harden daniel > To: Multiple recipients of list EDLAW > Subject: Re: Backlash at Penn State > > In response to Brendan McCullagh: Not only was your suggestion of "ingnoring > the little pukes" on target, but a rant like these ladies indulged in is far > more likely to make me sympathetic with "the little pukes" than with the > ladies. Three cheers for the Lionheart! > > Daniel Harden > Washburn University > Topeka, Kansas > Its comments like these that loudly illustrates why Womens' Studies Programs are necessary. -- Dawn Hughes dhughes@alpha.acast.nova.edu Nova University School of Psychology Fort Lauderdale, FL ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 12:11:29 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beatrice Kachuck Subject: Re: BACKLASH AT PENN STATE In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 14 Jul 1993 17:20:43 -0400 from Jane Elza's long list of suggestions for responding to the attacks on ws progra m, curriculum, and faculty include useful ideas but they overlook systemic prob lems. One is the backlash, in which local papers may gleefully participate. a second is the institutional responsibility for a) a trustee's private entrance into curriculum, faculty evaluation, etc. from a biased point of view; b) journ alistic standards at penn state; c) the president's responsibility to students and to the trustees. and, this is a public institution, in which the governor, state legislature, other public officials and political parties, community gro ups have a voice in selection of trustees and budget matters. those voices sho uld be called upon by the women at the university. None of this precludes my i nitial suggestion of action at the national level by nwsa (has ws at penn state contacted them?) and by other ws programs. the plan to alert other programs a nd departments is good, too. while criticism of curriculum, etc. by students c an be appropriate, and in a student newspaper, an important part of education revolves around learning how to make critical arguments. beatrice ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 11:29:48 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: terry g wilfong Subject: Plays by/about women A good anthology of plays by women that hasn't been mentioned yet is _Female Playwrights of the Restoration: Five Comedies_, edited with an introduction by Paddy Lyons and Fidelis Morgan, Everyman's Library Series (London; J. M. Dent; 1991). All of the plays are interesting to read and the Introduction does a good job of contextualizing the plays and their authors. The book has the additional advantage (for classroom use) of being readily available in a cheap paperback. One of the plays is an amazing examination of women's and men's status and power in seventeenth century England: "She Ventures and He Wins" by a woman identified only as "'Ariadne,' a young lady" (1695). In this play a woman dresses as a man in order to move freely among them, which becomes an exploration of her friend's statement that "a woman once vested in authority, though 'tis by no other than her own making, does not willingly part with it." Terry Wilfong University of Chicago t-wilfong@uchicago.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 12:30:04 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beatrice Kachuck Subject: Re: Chilly Climate Exercises In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 14 Jul 1993 21:08:56 -0500 from a caution on asking students to respond to statements on the communication styl es based on sex/gender, race, ethnicity, class: don't assume each is a unitary group with one style. the point of a chilly climate is to address the producti on of the climate: the professor, the course content, the institutional procedu res. beatrice ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 13:18:54 LCL Reply-To: RGINZBERG@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ruth Ginzberg Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University Subject: Re: URGENT HELP NEEDED >I do not have time to explain in detail, but I just found out that I am being >investigated by the Congress of the United States in connection with my >research in sexual orientation and the recent media attention to the >SCIENCE paper on which I am the senior author. > >I NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM THIS LIST IMMEDIATELY. I am so upset that I can't >remember how to do it. Please do not write to my address. My account will >be canceled as soon as I can arrange it and I won't be back on until this is >all over. In the meantime to protect all of you from any harrassment, I >need to be removed. I am on the digest. Well now I've seen everything! Do I still live in the USA??? Yep, this does not appear to be just a bad dream; it appears to be really on my computer screen in front of me in the USA in 1993. a) Heh, heh. I'd ENJOY seeing my government try to harrass WMST-L because we have a member whose research is on sexual orientation. (***Hey, fbi, want another one? Take me too; I've published on Lesbian Philosophy.***) b) More seriously, do we collectively wish to raise a collective objection to one of our members' being separated from participation in this academic forum apparently because of her academic research and/or the USA government's reaction to such research? c) Somehow this seems to me to be one of those defining moments that cannot simply pass unnoticed. Does the Press know about this? ------------------------ Ruth Ginzberg Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 10:45:19 PDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Brenda Brasher Subject: urgent help needed I'm curious re: what the poster has experienced/perceived that led to this conclusion. To me, when you are being harassed whether by an individual or an institution, maintaining connections with friends and public forums is especially important. Isolation only helps the harasser. Brenda E. Brasher brasher@usc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 11:55:17 MDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2 Comments: Lahoucine Ouzgane University of Alberta Comments: Resent-From: From: Lahoucine Ouzgane Subject: Re: BACKLASH AT PENN STATE (fwd) From: Lahoucine Ouzgane University of Alberta Department of English This is from another list. FYI. LOUZGANE@UALTAVM ---------------Original Message------------- *** Forwarding note from PURTOPOI--PURCCVM 93-07-15 20:24 *** Return-Path: <@VM.UCS.UALBERTA.CA:owner-purtopoi@VM.CC.PURDUE.EDU> Received: from utorgpu (NJE origin MAILER@UTORGPU) by VM.UCS.UALBERTA.CA (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5719; Thu, 15 Jul 1993 20:24:15 -0600 Received: from UTORVM by gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca with SMTP id <18664>; Thu, 15 Jul 1993 22:24:59 -0400 Received: from vm.utcc.utoronto.ca by vm.utcc.utoronto.ca (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0012; Thu, 15 Jul 93 22:23:17 EDT Received: from UTORONTO.BITNET by vm.utcc.utoronto.ca (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 7895; Thu, 15 Jul 93 22:23:09 EDT Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1993 22:22:41 -0400 Reply-To: "Rhetoric, Language, Prof Writing" Sender: "Rhetoric, Language, Prof Writing" From: R_CONNORS@UNHH.UNH.EDU Subject: Re: BACKLASH AT PENN STATE (fwd) To: Multiple recipients of list PURTOPOI Message-Id: <93Jul15.222459edt.18664@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca> This is from Bolt's A Man For All Seasons: Roper: So now you'd give the Devil benefit of law! More: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil? Roper: I'd cut down every law in England to do that! More (roused and excited): Oh? (advances on Roper) And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you--where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? (He leaves him) This country's planted thick with laws from coast to coast--man's laws, not God's--and if you cut them down--and you're just the man to do it--d'you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? (Quietly) Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake. The point I hope to make by stealing this quote from Bolt is that though we may not always be happy with other people's exercise of free speech, we have to allow it them, because to create arguments against their right to say and print what they want also automatically creates arguments against our own rights. That's why I swallowed hard and supported the ACLU's argument in favor of the Nazis' right to march in Skokie, and that's why I swallow hard and argue for the right of The Lionhearted to print and distribute papers. Jim Porter, theft and dumping of newspapers is censorship, pure and simple. My political opinions or support for women's rights have nothing to do with it. I admit to being a first amendment absolutist, and as such I have to condemn censorship from both right and left. I may very well write a letter to Joab Thomas chiding him for not coming out and condemning The Lionhearted as the presidents of Dartmouth and most other schools that are afflicted with Dartmouth Review-style rightwing rags have done. I agree that the support of a trustee for the paper makes Thomas's silence suspicious. (But, truthfully, do we really expect many in the current crop of slick, media-aware, politically astute, essentially amoral major university presidents to take strong statesmanlike positions? A genuinely ethical figure would not last a year in such a job.) Jim sez: "But what if certain forms of "bad speech" prevent good speech, and in themselves constitute a form of censorship? You are advocating an "absolute free speech" position here--but that's a position that doesn't recognize the problematics of speech whose intention is-- usually through its tactics of aggression, hatred, and intimidation-- to create a climate in which opposition is silenced. All your stance does is promote a climate of mutual shouting which guarantees that the louder, stronger, more aggressive group (often the group currently in power) will emerge as victorious (pace Aristotle). Certain forms of speech (as the law recognizes) constitute the equivalent of physical violence." I can only say that in this case, though The Lionhearted no doubt would love to silence opposition, they seem to have done a singularly bad job of it. These women are angry, and they're fighting back, and I'm on their side--up to the point where they try to deny the opposition a hearing. What you're claiming, here, Jim, is something I've never bought: that some speech is so powerful that by its very nature it constitutes coercion to belief, or at least to silence. A pointed gun may prevent good speech. A big bully standing in front of you with fist cocked may prevent good speech. Fear of social sanctions from your discourse community may prevent good speech. But bad speech cannot prevent good speech. No speech qua speech creates conditions that close down more speech, no matter how hate-filled, horrific, or ignorant it may be. Only force can prevent speech, and censorship is force. If bad speech silences good speech absent any physical coercion, that's because the people in a position to refute the bad speech choose not to do so. It is true that the law recognizes the Chaplinsky doctrine of "fighting words" as not being protected speech, but "fighting words" doctrine applies only to face-to-face confrontations. The case has been made by several campus and municipal speech codes that some verbal formulations constitute action rather than speech, and the Supreme Court has struck down every one of those speech codes. In the R.A.V. case last summer the Supremes even decided--unanimously- -that a creep who burned a cross on a black family's lawn could be busted for trespass, or for destruction of property, or for disturbing the peace, but *not* for infringing on St. Paul's hate-speech laws, which the Court struck down. And before we get all het up about the iniquities of the Rehnquist court, remember that this same position--that symbolic action equals protected speech--is what made the Court throw out the much-discussed case of the flag- burning peace protestors during the latter Reagan years. PROTECTIONS FOR THE SPEECH OF THE RIGHT ARE ALSO PROTECTIONS FOR THE SPEECH OF THE LEFT. Jim goes on: "But in a way the First Amendment issue is a smokescreen here." [I have learned to beware of any argument that begins this way, or with "Free speech is not really the issue here." It may not be the *only* issue here, but it is nearly always *an* issue here.] "Regardless of how we might or might not view free speech, the real problem at Penn State, which your post fails to acknowledge, is that women are being intimidated with the aim of silencing them. Surely you can write to object to that, without approving necessarily of the theft of the newspapers?" Of course I object to all intimidation. But though The Lionhearted may *want* to silence women, it cannot. Women, however, can, and apparently effectively have, silenced The Lionhearted, at least in terms of its distribution. However much I agree with the women and detest the newspaper, I cannot turn my dislike for anti-feminist screeds into a vision of some punky little off- campus four-pager run by a bunch of snotnosed Buckley wannabes really silencing the strong women of Penn State. To say that women can't take the heat, have to be protected against ugly speech because they wilt into silence in the face of it, is to create a more serious insult than anything in The Lionhearted. Censorship is not the answer, because it's always a double-edged sword. You can't use speech codes to stop cross burnings without giving up your right to burn the flag. You can't keep David Duke or William Shockley off your campus without endangering your right to invite Mary Daly or Louis Farrakhan. You can't censor hate speech in a way that does not endanger honest political disagreements. And you cannot steal and destroy their newpapers without giving them tacit license to do the same to you. *That's* the real "might makes right" argument. Holmes said it best: the only test of truth is the marketplace. Sometimes the agora is an unpleasant place as a result. But we have no better way, and assuming that we know the truth and can thus dictate to other people leads only to fascism. Mark Gellis, I agree completely with you that all legal terror tactics should be used against The Lionhearted--boycotts, letter campaigns, public hooting, and, of course, rational critique of all kinds. It may well be that they can be gotten for copyright violations or for libel, and I'd be all for it. But it's more likely that the best way to deal with such pondscum is simply to ignore them to death. We had a little Dartmouth Review clone here at UNH, which thrived to the degree that people wrung their hands over its right to exist or be distributed and went into steep decline when people realized that it was silly and stopped bothering to argue over it. It's gone now. These rags thrive on exactly the kind of publicity The Lionhearted is now getting, as Gene Doty suggests. Sorry for the length of this. Hard cheese for me--I'm invested in rational discourse. Bob C. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 14:38:07 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beatrice Kachuck Subject: Re: BACKLASH AT PENN STATE In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 15 Jul 1993 09:44:54 -0400 from I'm puzzled by Nancy Osborne's rebuke to my suggestion that nwsa be asked to be involved in the penn state backlash problem. yes, nwsa is US. what i had in m ind is that our national organization, as an organization, a scholary society t hat deals with ws issues nationally, use its resources and its status to keep t rack of ws studies backlash events, and as deemed appropriate, respond as a nat ional organization. this may involve organizing an ad hoc committee to work wi th the staff. we, like other scholars, have national organizations for such pu rposes. beatrice ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 14:43:23 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beatrice Kachuck Subject: Re: Graduate Program In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 15 Jul 1993 11:43:25 EST from the City University of New York Graduate Center has a MALS program with 6 concentrations, one of them ws. students are required to take 2 core courses i n their concentration, then related courses of their choice in either the mals program or any of the doctoral programs. a student's interest in a particular topic, such as the one you mention, could be developed along the way of courses and papers and then be realized as a thesis. get in touch with Rachel Brownst ein, Executive Officer, MALS Program, CUNY Graduate Center, 43 W 42 Street, New York, NY 10036 212642-2312. the gc also has a ws certificate program. student s matric lated in a ph d program take courses for a concentration and certifica te in ws beatrice ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 15:29:23 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Nancy Seale Osborne Subject: Re: LCSH In-Reply-To: <9307161425.AA09590@oswego-gw> You're not kidding! I discovered Sanford Berman in my library school days and have followed and been grateful for his progressive and proactive stance ever since. I almost met him when NWSA met in Minneapolis but it was 110 degrees in the shade and I spent some afternoons either in the swimming pool or attending sessions in air conditioned buildings; thus I failed to meet him in person. I am grateful,however, to have become acquainted with his ideas! Cheers, Nancy Osborne osborne@oswego.oswego.edu On Fri, 16 Jul 1993, THERE GOES THE GSLIS IMAGE.... wrote: > check out the writings of Sanford Berman... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 15:37:21 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Nancy Seale Osborne Subject: Re: BACKLASH AT PENN STATE In-Reply-To: <9307161852.AA14170@oswego-gw> Ah, Beatrice, if you mean you want to chair an ad hoc committee of NWSA to work on NWSA's "using its resources and status to keep track of backlash events," that makes a lot of sense. I was not rebuking you in any way. Sorry it looked like that to you. Best, Nancy osborne@oswego.oswego.edu On Fri, 16 Jul 1993, Beatrice Kachuck wrote: > I'm puzzled by Nancy Osborne's rebuke to my suggestion that nwsa be asked to be > involved in the penn state backlash problem. yes, nwsa is US. what i had in m > ind is that our national organization, as an organization, a scholary society t > hat deals with ws issues nationally, use its resources and its status to keep t > rack of ws studies backlash events, and as deemed appropriate, respond as a nat > ional organization. this may involve organizing an ad hoc committee to work wi > th the staff. we, like other scholars, have national organizations for such pu > rposes. beatrice ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 14:28:06 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: joan gabriele Subject: Re: Plays by/about women >A good anthology of plays by women that hasn't been >mentioned yet is _Female Playwrights of the Restoration: >Five Comedies_, edited with an introduction by Paddy >Lyons and Fidelis Morgan, Everyman's Library Series >(London; J. M. Dent; 1991). All of the plays are interesting >to read and the Introduction does a good job of >contextualizing the plays and their authors. The book has >the additional advantage (for classroom use) of being readily >available in a cheap paperback. >One of the plays is an amazing examination of women's and >men's status and power in seventeenth century England: >"She Ventures and He Wins" by a woman identified only as >"'Ariadne,' a young lady" (1695). In this play a woman >dresses as a man in order to move freely among them, which >becomes an exploration of her friend's statement that "a >woman once vested in authority, though 'tis by no other than >her own making, does not willingly part with it." > >Terry Wilfong >University of Chicago >t-wilfong@uchicago.edu Along these same lines, there was a book called The Female Wits with several very humorous restoration comedies in it. I think Fidelis Morgan also edited that volume, which includes Aphra Behn and several other women. Joan Gabriele gabriele@spot University of Colorado @ Boulder ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 21:44:00 BST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "M. Jennings" Subject: Re: Unorthodox romance Try Samuel Delany: Stars in my pocket like grains of sand The sex/gender of characters and thier inter-relationships are never stereotypical. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 14:27:21 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Ruth Dickstein, University of Arizona Main Library" Subject: LCSH One of the best discussions of the limits of LCSH in relation to women with suggestions for changes is Joan K. Marshall's boook "On Equal Terms: A Thesaurus of Nonsexist Indexing". 1977 Neal-Shuman. Good luck in getting LC to change. Ruth Dickstein dickstei@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1993 01:26:22 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Allan Hunter Subject: Re: research subjects wanted In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 3 Jul 1993 13:24:48 CDT from Somewhere in the murky depths of my mind is the notion that I'm sup- posed to be participating in a research project for you, having to do with my relationship with a woman who is otherwise/previously/?? a lesbian, and that she was also willing to participate. I remember getting something informing us that we would be asked for our stories, but nothing since. Is it "my move" and I didn't follow through? What ought I to do? - Allan Hunter ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1993 09:32:06 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Barbara Scott Winkler Subject: Pictures of Lilith Raphael Patai's *The Hebrew Goddess* has three images of Lilith - one is Sumerian, the other two (which are hard to see in the photos) are on Aramaic incantation bowls. The Sumerian terra cotta relief is very nice. Publisher of pb Avon Books (Discus book) 1978. Book first published 1967. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1993 10:08:50 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Allan Hunter Subject: Re: research subjects wanted In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 17 Jul 1993 01:26:22 EDT from Aw, damn! That was supposed to go to Pauline Bart, not the list! Sorry! Allan ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1993 16:45:00 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beth Lee Simon Subject: Re: Iana Pattatucci's urgent request I mean the following quite literally: when I. Pattatucci wrote saying that she must be removed from the list, she also said that it was to make sure others on the list would not be harrassed. Since I have no experience with being under federal scrutiny, but may at some point, would anyone know, literally, how her (or any one subscriber's) inclusion on a list such as this can lead to harrassment of others? thanks beth blsimon@macc.wisc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1993 16:54:00 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beth Lee Simon Subject: More on the "urgent request" I was thinking on this a bit more, and wondered, given the immediacy of I.P's request: who can have access to the archives? Does it matter? In a case, such as this, (about which I know nothing of course) can anyone read through the archives and find material to use against a list member. "use against" of course meaning take from this context and put into another. beth blsimon@macc.wisc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1993 19:15:06 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: carole marmell Subject: Re: More on the "urgent request" In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 17 Jul 1993 16:54:00 CDT from On Sat, 17 Jul 1993 16:54:00 CDT Beth Lee Simon said: >I was thinking on this a bit more, and wondered, given the immediacy >of I.P's request: who can have access to the archives? Does it matter? >In a case, such as this, (about which I know nothing of course) >can anyone read through the archives and find material to use against >a list member. "use against" of course meaning take from this context >and put into another. It's a fairly simple matter to access the archives of this and other lists. Although there's an etiquette governing its use, in practice this is out of our control. It's the other questions that I think concern us now. First, of course, is what on earth did our former subscriber mean? Second, as we've seen from Lani Guinier, it's pretty easy to take our words out of context and use against us. We tend to think of this as a private conversation, but really, it's quite public. It's more like talking at a cocktail party and finding out later that someone has taped us. Then I wonder, why would anyone care what we say? There have been an awful lot of conversations/debates in cyberspace about ethics and confidentiality; there have also been court cases. I don't think the issue is anywhere near settled. Back to the specific: I don't think we can help our colleague without some additional information. Carole ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ carole nadelman marmell, m.s.w. houston, texas socwlr@uhupvm1 (bitnet) or @uhupvm1.uh.edu (internet) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1993 20:59:56 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Re: More on the "urgent request" Like many other WMST-L readers, I was puzzled and disturbed by the message Iana Pattatucci sent to the list yesterday saying that she was being investigated for her research on sexual orientation and asking to be removed from WMST-L in order to spare the rest of us from being harassed. As she requested, I removed her from the list, and I then tried to reach her by phone to get more information. I left a message on what I assume is her answering machine. My later attempts to reach her were no more successful. Also, through the University of Maryland's superb online library information system, I tried to track down the recent SCIENCE article to which Iana referred. Though the online database included issues of SCIENCE up through July 9, and though articles by Iana in other journals were listed, I couldn't find one by her in SCIENCE. (I might note that the system I used [UnCover, from CARL] includes only the first three authors' names, so if Iana's was fourth, it wouldn't be included.) So I'm afraid I can't shed more light on this strange and troubling matter, but I wanted to let people know what little I've learned. If I learn more, I'll send another message to the list. Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1993 00:23:10 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Arnie Kahn Subject: Re: More on the "urgent request" Joan Korenman writes: > Like many other WMST-L readers, I was puzzled and disturbed by the >message Iana Pattatucci sent to the list yesterday saying that she was >being investigated for her research on sexual orientation and asking to be >removed from WMST-L in order to spare the rest of us from being harassed. >As she requested, I removed her from the list, and I then tried to reach >her by phone to get more information. I left a message on what I assume is >her answering machine. My later attempts to reach her were no more >successful. After I read the article in the Washington Post on Friday I emailed Iana a "congratulations" note. She and I had corresponded earlier this spring regarding this research. About an hour after I sent her email her note asking to be removed appeared on this list. She did not write me back. I have contacted colleagues in DC who have connections to Congress and asked if they could shed some light on the matter. However, I didn't do this until Friday afternoon. I hope to hear something on Monday. If I hear anything I'll inform the list. I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but the Post article indicated that the article ended with an unusual disclaimer: Thje NIH group's paper ends with a cautionary note unusual for a scientific report. "We believe," it says, "that it would be fundamentally unethical to use such information to try to assess or alter a person's current or future sexual orientation, either heterosexual or homosexual, or other normal attributes of human behavior." This quotation suggests that homosexual behavior is normal behavior and just might be the source of the problem, but I'm really guessing. Arnie fac_askahn@vax1.acs.jmu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1993 12:10:51 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Resent-From: Chris Delbes Comments: Originally-From: Chris Delboni <71035.3461@CompuServe.COM> From: Chris Delbes Subject: Copy of: Russia trip A friend of mine will soon be going to Russia on a women's studies program. She is just now becoming involved with computer networking and started an account on CompuServe. I am posting this note for her. If it is easier for some of you to reply to me, I will forward it to Penny. Please be sure, in this case, to send it to Thanks a lot. Chris ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: Chris Delboni, 71035,3461 TO: Chris, >INTERNET: cdelbes@american.edu.BITNET DATE: 7/16/93 11:15 PM RE: Copy of: Russia trip For an artical with an August 15 deadline and an October Trip to Russia: I am going on a women's studies trip to Russia in October and would like contacts in Minsk, Balarus Moscow and St. Petersburg, Russia. If anyone out there has knowledge of the lesbian and gay movement or of any other more radical women's movement in Russia, and is willing to share this information, please contact me privately. Thank you in advance.... Penny Gardner 72763.1443@compuserve.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1993 08:28:39 +0300 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: naomy graetz Subject: Re: More on the "urgent request" In-Reply-To: <9307180025.AA05016@umd5.umd.edu> I have a different question. If one wants to quote e-mail or use e-mail letters in a class setting, is there a proper form for this? Is this material copyrighted in the sense that it must be attributed to the original person who wrote it? Naomi Graetz (graetz@bgumail.ac.il) On Sat, 17 Jul 1993, carole marmell wrote: > On Sat, 17 Jul 1993 16:54:00 CDT Beth Lee Simon said: > >I was thinking on this a bit more, and wondered, given the immediacy > >of I.P's request: who can have access to the archives? Does it matter? > >In a case, such as this, (about which I know nothing of course) > >can anyone read through the archives and find material to use against > >a list member. "use against" of course meaning take from this context > >and put into another. > > It's a fairly simple matter to access the archives of this and other > lists. Although there's an etiquette governing its use, in practice this > is out of our control. > > It's the other questions that I think concern us now. First, of course, > is what on earth did our former subscriber mean? Second, as we've seen > from Lani Guinier, it's pretty easy to take our words out of context and > use against us. We tend to think of this as a private conversation, but > really, it's quite public. It's more like talking at a cocktail party > and finding out later that someone has taped us. Then I wonder, why would > anyone care what we say? > > There have been an awful lot of conversations/debates in cyberspace > about ethics and confidentiality; there have also been court cases. I > don't think the issue is anywhere near settled. > > Back to the specific: I don't think we can help our colleague without > some additional information. > > Carole > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > carole nadelman marmell, m.s.w. > houston, texas > socwlr@uhupvm1 (bitnet) or @uhupvm1.uh.edu (internet) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1993 08:13:00 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beth Lee Simon Subject: Re: More on the "urgent request" and list access I agree with Carole's analogy, but I think that access to any part of the list, including thearchives is at issue. There is a "way", a type of list definition, that disallows outside or public access to the list, and to the archives, without disallowing new subscription, that is, anyone can join, but they have to spcifically join, and then it is those who have subscribed, joined, are listed, who have access to the network beth blsimon@macc.wisc.edu University of Wisconsin-Madison ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1993 10:11:39 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Suzanne Hildenbrand Subject: Extended deadline for Schlesinger conference The Schlesinger Library on the History of Women in America will be celebrating its 50th anniversary next year. A call for papers for presentation in '94 went out some time ago with July 1 as the deadline. That deadline has been ext ended to Oct 1 and proposals are still being solicited. For furthr info contact Anne Herman A_Herman@Harvard.edu or (617) 496-3832. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1993 10:22:14 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: carole marmell Subject: Re: More on the "urgent request" In-Reply-To: Message of Sun, 18 Jul 1993 08:28:39 +0300 from On Sun, 18 Jul 1993 08:28:39 +0300 naomy graetz said: >I have a different question. If one wants to quote e-mail or use e-mail >letters in a class setting, is there a proper form for this? Is this >material copyrighted in the sense that it must be attributed to the >original person who wrote it? >Naomi Graetz (graetz@bgumail.ac.il) It's been argued that any usage requires specific permission of the poster. I tend to agree with the middle ground, which is that anything from the archives is public, and deleting names and other i.d. is more than enough to protect privacy. Copyright is a very tricky issue. Carole ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ carole nadelman marmell, m.s.w. houston, texas socwlr@uhupvm1 (bitnet) or @uhupvm1.uh.edu (internet) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1993 12:01:26 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: DAPHNE PATAI Subject: news from Iana Iana has asked me to post this message for her, since she is now off the list. She appreciates the support but urges people to take no action at this time. Iana says that right now there is a congressional inquiry underway; she doesn't know who initiated it, but it means that to some extent all those in the lab at the National Institute of Health are being investigated. It's obviously connected with work the lab has been doing and the recent article in Sciene [July 16 issue] about male sexual orientation. The lab anticipated that this would happen - because there are people upset that any such research at the NIH (whose mission is public health) is going on, and they want to know how this research relates to the mission of the NIH. The lab simply did not expect this to happen so fast, but they did expect they they would have to justify what they are doing, and they welcome that. What was lost in the media coverage was that both the gay and lesbian studies were part of a large study being conducted in the lab on the etiology of cancer;iIn the case of gay males, the etiology of Karposi's sarcoma in HIV-positive gay men; in the case of women, the etiology of breast and other cancers in lesbians and in women in the general population. Iana wants especially to reassure people who've participated in her research. They have nothing to worry about; she is a member in good standing of the clinical Staff at the NIH, which means that any communication with her is privileged. Moreover, as further protection, any e-mail surveys that people participated in were assigned a number, headers were cut off, and files were deleted from the computer. People's identities are absolutely protected. If individuals want to communicate with her, Iana has a new e-mail address at home; it is: Iana@glib.org submitted on Iana's behalf by Daphne ====================== Daphne.Patai@spanport.umass.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1993 13:41:00 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Phyllis Holman Weisbard Subject: Re: More on the "urgent request" and list access Earlier today, Beth said, > >I agree with Carole's analogy, but I think that access to any part of >the list, including thearchives is at issue. There is a "way", a type >of list definition, that disallows outside or public access to the list, >and to the archives, without disallowing new subscription, that is, anyone >can join, but they have to spcifically join, and then it is those who >have subscribed, joined, are listed, who have access to the network > I just wanted to point out that this procedure offers little in the way of protection, because there is no control over who joins the list. Also, people should be aware that email messages are not a confidential means of communication, ever -- whether to lists or to individuals. I have been told, for example, that what we delete from our own accounts may not be truly gone -- the messages may still exist in the mainframes supporting our systems. ***** Phyllis Holman Weisbard (608) 263-5754 Acting Women's Studies Librarian pweis@wiscmacc (Bitnet) University of Wisconsin System pweis@macc.wisc.edu (Internet) Room 430 Memorial Library 728 State Street Madison, WI 53706 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1993 14:33:38 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jane Elza Subject: Re: Iana Pattatucci's urgent request In-Reply-To: <9307172155.AA02324@umd5.umd.edu> During the Civil Rights Movement, the Florida legislature tried to get the membership list of the NAACP for its investigation of Communists. In the South, supporters of civil rights were, by definition, communists. The S.C. said that to get the list the Florida legislature must l. have some reason to believe that what it is looking for is there. Since the NAACP has an anti-communist statement in its bylaws and explicitly says it does not agree with communism, there is no reason to believe that the members are communist. 2. subpeoning the list is a general search, without probable cause, which is forbidden by the Constitution. The purpose of seeking the list was to intimidate civil rights workers. Sen. Joe McCarthy started the whole thing by claiming in the 50's to have list of communists who worked in the STate Department. These people presumably sold America out which is how the communists got china. Since he never produced the list, anyone he claimed was a communist was assumed to be one. How could this affect subscribers? I don't know what I. Pattatucci did or why the congress wants to investigate her, but take the charge of the men in the Canadian chilly climate case that the committee chair is part of a coven of e-mail sisters. Let us say that sentiment becomes commonly known and accepted. When one applies for jobs, one may be asked if one belongs to THE list. It may be the real reason for refusing to hire-or for firing someone. People on the list may be ridiculed; their research not published, etc. Ergo the term "witch hunt." My initial reaction is that Ms. Pattatucci overreacted. I'd like to know which committee is investigating and what its charge is. Without knowing more, I wouldn't worry. However, remember, there's no privacy on e-mail. What you say there, you say to the world. It is not a letter or a phone call, it is a television address to whoever tunes in. On Sat, 17 Jul 1993, Beth Lee Simon wrote: > I mean the following quite literally: when I. Pattatucci wrote > saying that she must be removed from the list, she also said that it > was to make sure others on the list would not be harrassed. > Since I have no experience with being under federal scrutiny, but may > at some point, would anyone know, literally, how her (or any one > subscriber's) inclusion on a list such as this can lead to harrassment > of others? > thanks > beth > blsimon@macc.wisc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1993 17:32:51 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Shyamala Raman Subject: Re: More on the "urgent request" Just wanted to mention that the research findings on sexual orientation were reported in the Wall Street Journal, dated 7/16/993 on page B1. I looked through the article for the mention of Ms. Patucci (sp?) and found it in the third column along with the names of her colleagues. I tried to make sense out of the article to find clues for the reasons for investigation and frankly, could not find any but then I am not conversant with that field. Shyamala raman internet: Raman@ganesha.sjc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1993 16:28:51 -800 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kathleen Margaret Lant Subject: Split Britches In-Reply-To: <9307161629.AA11423@umd5.umd.edu> I am doing some research on the work of the feminist theatre group "Split Britches," and I would like to contact any of the three members of the group: Deborah Margolin, Peggy Shaw, or Lois Weaver. If you have an address for the group itself or for any of the members, I would greatly appreciate your sending it to me. Or if you prefer, I would be grateful if you could let them know of my interest in the group and forward my email or snail mail address to them. Thanks peggy lant English Department Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, CA 93407 klant@oboe.calpoly.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1993 18:15:29 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Betty J Glass Subject: Re: More on the "urgent request" In-Reply-To: <9307180024.AA04994@umd5.umd.edu> Why would anyone care what we say? The Internet is revolutionizing communication. We are no longer slowed by getting letters typed or envelopes addressed. Large group contact can be achieved at a home or office pc at any time instead of once or twice a year at professional conferences or via letters to the editor of a professional journal. I think this touches on the issue of how women have been silenced in the past. The Internet provides a "voice" which has the capacity to reach many almost instantaneously. I can well imagine there are those who would prefer the masses not have access to such a powerful tool. Betty Glass glass@UNR.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 01:57:22 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beatrice Kachuck Subject: Re: BACKLASH AT PENN STATE In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 16 Jul 1993 15:37:21 -0400 from no, nancy, i wasn't volunteering to chair such a committee. I was pointing out that an organization carries more weight than an individual and should/can be called upon when a member has a problem. the backlash at penn state seems like ly to be part of a larger problem. what usually happens in such a situation is that an organization like nwsa either identifies a standing committee in whose purview the problem falls and asks it to work on it or appoints an ad hoc comm ittee of people who have some expertise in the matter to work on it. i don't h ave the expertise, might agree to learn if asked and could give it the time. as far as i know, nobody at penn state asked nwsa for help; i think they should to give you an idea of what i have in mind: i chair a committee in cuny's women 's coalition, working to get the university to strengthen its sexual harassment policy, ie, using the organization's voice (with its agreement) as a more power ful means on behalf of all women in cuny. the risk in these organization proce sses, and this is something we should teach our ws students, is that individual s then come to think someone at the top takes care of things and they have no responsibilities. that's not true in sexual harassment or in backlash. policie s don't settle problems and neither does a letter from an organization. both collective and individual activities have to go on. cuny has 18 campuses. if there were no work at each in the course of the coalition campaign, and no follow-up once a new policy is in place (i'm optimistic that it will be an improvement) we'll have no real change. beatrice ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 08:56:31 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sharon Gordon Organization: University of NC at Greensboro Subject: Address/phone for National Victim Center? I am looking for the address and phone number of the National Victim Center. Does anyone have it or know in which city it is located? Please respond privately to Sharon Gordon gordonse@uncg.bitnet gordonse@iris.uncg.edu Thank you! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 11:04:13 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Sherry Linkon Organization: Youngstown State University Subject: Working-class students Hi all--I'm co-writing an article on teaching about issues of race/ethnicity and gender to working-class college students. My collaborator teaches courses that focus on African-American lit and I teach courses on ethnicity and women's studies courses in a school with a mostly white, working-class population. Do you have any thoughts about how the class status or identity of students may affect their response to courses that raise gender issues or to courses that emphasize race and/or ethnicity? Thanks--Sherry Linkon, fr122601@YSUB.YSU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 11:21:25 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Paula Gaber Subject: inforM Women's Studies Database Update The following files and/or directories have been added to the inforM Women's Studies Database: Women's Studies/ReadingRoom/SexualHarassment/sexual-harassment-biblio "Sexual Harassment in the Workplace: Selected References" is a bibliography prepared by the Congressional Research Service. It lists articles and books from the media, popular press, and scholarly journals that deal with the issue of sexual harassment. Women's Studies/ReadingRoom/History/Biographies There are almost forty short biographies of selected historical women now available through inforM. The biographies were written by an inforM staff person and are intended as a quick factual source about a number of women in history. Women's Studies/ReadingRoom/Violence+Women/ResponsetoRape The latest (May 1993) report from the Majority Staff of the Senate Judiciary Committee, entitled "The Response to Rape: Detours on the Road to Equal Justice" contains rape case studies, the latest numbers, an explanation of the Violence Against Women Act of 1993, and a state survey. To access the inforM database, telnet to INFORM.UMD.EDU. (If you do not know how to telnet, contact a local computer wizard, or try typing "telnet inform.umd.edu" at the main prompt of your computer account). When it asks for a login id, type "gopher". Use either your arrow keys or number keys to select "4. Educational Resources". After that, select "10. Women's Studies". The Gopher interface has a feature that allows users to send files to their e-mail accounts. Scroll to the end of the file and type "m", or press "q", then "m". The inforM system is also accessible by anonymous ftp. FTP to INFORM.UMD.EDU. Login as "anonymous", and use your mail address as a password. Choose the "info" directory by typing "cd info". The command "cd [directory name]" will change the directory. The commands "dir" or "ls" will display a list of files in that directory. Use the command "get [filename]" to download a file into your account. The directory pathname for the Women's Studies Database is info/Teaching/WomensStudies. Your local Gopher System may be set up to automatically link to the Womens's Studies Database. Check the "Other Systems" or "Other Gophers" directory or ask your system administrator for help. Please remember that the system is case sensitive. Anything that appears in quotes must be typed exactly as it is here. If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to contact me. Paula Gaber inforM Coordinator, Women's Studies Database gaber@info.umd.edu (301) 405-2939 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 11:21:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: am68 Subject: Re: Address/phone for National Victim Center? In-Reply-To: <9307191254.AA21481@umd5.umd.edu> >I am looking for the address and phone number of the National >Victim Center. Does anyone have it or know in which city it >is located? > >Please respond privately to >Sharon Gordon >gordonse@uncg.bitnet >gordonse@iris.uncg.edu > >Thank you! Tried to answer you privately - but your umail address comes back as invalid. See Encyclopedia of Associations for y0our address.> ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 12:24:05 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Pearson Gretchen Subject: Re: Address/phone for National Victim Center? National Victim Center 307 W. 7th St., Ste. 1001 Ft Worth, TX 76102 (817) 877-3355 from the 1993 Encyclopedia of Associations. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, did you call your library to ask for this information? This is what libraries and librarians do, in part. Gretchen Pearson Le Moyne College Syracuse, NY pearson@lemoyne.bitnet ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 10:36:46 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Diana Relke Subject: advance notice of a job posting Attn: Canadian subscribers An unexpected 10-month job just opened up in Sociology here at the University of Saskatchewan starting in September. They're looking for a feminist sociologist with a Ph.D. The person must be able to teach Introduction to Sociology (a 6 credit unit course); Sociology of Education (3-cu); and Sociology of Women's Studies (3-cu). Here are the calendar descriptions of the last two: SOC 325.3, SOCIOLOGICAL PARADIGMS AND EDUCATION PROCESSES: Provides a microsociological study of educational processes of various institutions such as day care, nursery school, religious schooling, language schools, elementary and secondary schools, and post-secondary institutions. Educational processes will be analyzed from the theorietical perspectives of social reproduction and symbolic interaction. Students will apply sociological methodologies of studying educational processes to activities such as student-teacher and student-student interactions. SOC 342.3, SOCIOLOGICAL THEORIES OF GENDER RELATIONS: Provides an in-depth theoretical examination of gender stratification and differentiation. It explores issues such as gender and race, gender and justice, and the gendered body. Issues will be analyzed from feminist perspectives using the theories of Marxism, symbolic interactionism, and post structuralism. If anyone on the List knows of someone who's still looking for work this fall and who might be able to teach these courses, get them to contact the Dept. of Sociology, Univ. of Sask., (306) 966-6924, or fire off a CV to T. Wotherspoon, Head, Sociology, Univ. of Sask, Saskatoon SK S7N OWO. Or if you want to put a CV on the email to me, I'll pass it on to Sociology. When I get a copy of the actual ad, I'll post it. In accordance with Canadian Immigration requirements, the ad will be directed in the first instance to Canadian citizens and permanent residents. Diana Relke Coordinator Women's and Gender Studies relke@herald.usask.ca ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 11:46:52 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Pauline B. Bart" Subject: "free" speech How do you know that speech doesn't silence. The jerk who harassed the women in class with his sexist and rapist speech frightened many of kthem so that they were afraid to come to class and if they came to class they were afraid of speaking because they thought they would be beaten up. The line between speech adn violence lis not las clear as you would make it e.g. I'm going to rape you is speech. When a boss says to a secretary I want to fuck you that is speech. White only is speech. The fetis;hized first amkendment wras written by lmen who owned slaves and women and lkthey were concerned about the state protecting lktheir speech. However slaves were not allowed to ber taught to read and write. kSFree speech belongs to those with power. Pauline B. Bart U17334@UICVM.UIC.EDU (University of Illinois at Chicago) Everything is data, but data isn't everything... Don't kill the messenger! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 13:36:45 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Barbara R. Bixby" Open letter to all subscribers- Several junior faculty at Carthage College are advocating the creation of a Women's Center as an umbrella organization for a number of concerns. We are a small liberal arts school (1300) in Wisconsin with ties to the Lutheran Church. We have all the problems of any campus-sexism, date rape, racism, homophobia, drug and alcohol problems-the list goes on. Of a faculty of 85, there are 11 tenure track women plus 6 tenured women. We have a conservative President who says that Women's Studies like Black Studies is "intellectually indefensible",and two Deans who say they will support this proposal, but have not been independentadvocates. Our proposal gives lots of reasons for having such a Center. My question to those of you with a track record in Women's Studies OR a Women's Center-is there hard data on how the existence of such programs has improved or changed the climate on your campus? We need documented evidence ("proof") that creating a Women's Center will improve Carthage College. thanks. Barbara Bixby ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 09:52:14 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Consuelo Lopez Springfield Subject: Romance Readers Anonymous List-serv Several people have sent me messages asking for the email address of the ROmance Readers Anonymous email listserv. It has been some time since I was on it (along with librarians, writers, and scholars) and I hope that the address is correct. Try: RRA-L@KENTVM.KENT.EDU. I received some valuable advice on my syllabus (on popular romance in fiction and soap operas). Good luck, Consuelo Lopez Springfield cspringf@UCS. INDIANA.EDU (INTERNET) or cspringf@iubacs.bitnet ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 17:12:24 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beatrice Kachuck Subject: Re: Working-class students In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 19 Jul 1993 11:04:13 EDT from kathleen weiler's book, women teaching for change, Ss. hadley, MA: bergin and g arvey has an ethnographic study of feminist high school teachers which fits you r description of the population you'll teach. In carmen luke and jennifer gore' s feminisms and critical pedagogy, ny: routledge, 1992, 2 articles will be usef ul. in why doesn't this feel empowering? elizabeth ellsworth discusses the limi ts of critical theory in dealing with students in her course on racism at wisco nsin; and patti lather's post-critical pedagogies takes male critical theorists to task for their deprecatory reading of ellsworth, then offers her own. weile r's book date: 1988. several years ago berenice fisher had a good article in s igns on tensions between feminist teachers and their students in relation to cl ass, etc. sorry, i don't remember the signs issue date. beatrice ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 17:27:26 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beatrice Kachuck Subject: Re: "free" speech In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 19 Jul 1993 11:46:52 CDT from on the issue of free speech, in the sense that speech is a performative, as the cultural theorists like to say, speech is action. but to say thay doesn't set tle the matter of prohibition. yes, there's risk in deciding to silence the sp eech of sexists, harassers. and yes, decisions on free speech are a matter of power. but like the problem of relativism, we make decisions about what's acce ptable and engage in political struggle for choosing for justice. beatrice ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 18:14:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: 4 announcements (inc. Menopause list) I have received the following four announcements that may be of interest to WMST-L readers: 1) Menopause E-mail List 2) Travel-To-Collection Grants 3) Job Opening: Sociology (inc. gender specialty) 4) CFP: International Assn. for Feminist Economics For more information, please contact the people named in the announcements, not WMST-L or me. Joan Korenman (korenman@umbc) ******************************************************** MENOPAUS on LISTSERV@PSUHMC.BITNET or LISTSERV@PSUHMC.HMC.PSU.EDU MENOPAUS is an open list is for the discussion of menopause, and the sharing of remedies and personal experiences related to menopause. It's open to women of all ages and other interested parties. While the list is meant to be a casual discussion list, people from the medical community are also welcome. Archives of MENOPAUS mail items are kept in monthly files. You may obtain a list files in the archives by sending the command INDEX MENOPAUS in the BODY of e-mail to LISTSERV@PSUHMC on BITNET or LISTSERV@PSUHMC.HMC.PSU.EDU. To subscribe, send the following command in the BODY of mail to LISTSERV@PSUHMC on BITNET or LISTSERV@PSUHMC.HMC.PSU.EDU: SUB MENOSPUS yourfirstname yourlastname For example: SUB MENOPAUS Judy Bayliss Owner: Judy Bayliss ****************************************************************** John W. Hartman Center for Sales, Advertising, and Marketing History Special Collections Library Duke University TRAVEL-TO-COLLECTIONS GRANTS 1993-94 Three or more grants of up to $1000 are available to (1) graduate students in any academic field who wish to use the resources of the Center for research toward M.A., Ph.D., or other postgraduate degrees; (2) faculty members working on research projects; or (3) independent scholars working on nonprofit projects. Funds may be used to help defray costs of travel to Durham and local accommodations. The major collection available at the Hartman Center at the current time is the extensive Archives of the J. Walter Thompson Company (JWT), the oldest advertising agency in the U.S. and a major international agency since the 1920s. It is anticipated that the advertisements (1932+) and a moderate amount of agency documentation from D'Arcy, Masius, Benton & Bowles (DMB&B) will be available for research by autumn 1993. The Center holds several other smaller collections relating to 19th and 20th century advertising and marketing. REQUIREMENTS: Awards may be used between November 15, 1993 and December 31, 1994. Graduate student applicants (1) must be currently enrolled in a postgraduate program in any academic department and (2) must enclose a letter of recommendation from the student's advisor or project director. Please address questions and requests for application forms to: Ms. Ellen Gartrell, Director John W. Hartman Center for Sales, Advertising, and Marketing History Special Collections Library Duke University Box 90185 Durham NC 27708-0185 Phone: 919-660-5836 Fax: 919-684-2855 email: egg@mail.lib.duke.edu DEADLINES: Applications for 1993-94 awards must be received or postmarked by September 30, 1993. Awards will be announced by the end of October. ************************************************************************ JOB OPENING SOCIOLOGY (specialization in race and ethnicity and/or gender) Sociology: The School of Social Sciences of the University of Texas at Dallas seeks applicants for one, and possibly two, tenure track position(s) at the assistant professor level to begin September 1, 1994. Associate Professor rank, with tenure, may be considered for an exceptionally qualified candidate. Ph.D. in Sociology or a related field required by the date of appointment. Fields of research and teaching are open, but preference will be given to candidates with specialization in race and ethnicity and/or gender. Candidates should demonstrate interest in and potential for distinction in policy research and capacity to contribute to the undergraduate program in Sociology and interdisciplinary graduate programs in Public Affairs and Political Economy. Applicants should submit a letter detailing teaching and research interests, a curriculum vitae, letters of recommendation from at least three references who are familiar with their work, and an example of a published or submitted article or conference paper to Academic Search Number 366, University of Texas at Dallas, P.O. Box 830688, Richardson, Texas 75083-0688. Review of applications will begin on October 15, but applications will be accepted until the position has been filled. The University of Texas at Dallas is an Equal Opportunity Employer. From: The Chronicle of Higher Education, July 14, 1993 *************************************************************************** International Association for Feminist Economics (IAFFE) will organize sessions at The annual meeting of the Association for Institutional Thought April 20-24, 1994 Albuquerque, New Mexico in conjunction with the 36th Annual Conference of the WESTERN SOCIAL SCIENCE ASSOCIATION IAFFE sessions will be organized by Ann Jennings. If you wish to organize a session(s) please contact Ann at: 616-946-6914 until August 25th. After that date, please contact her at: Urban and Regional Studies 324 Rose Hall University of Wisconsin Green Bay, WI 54311 Phone: 414-465-2486 FAX: 414-465-2791 Internet: jennings@uwgb.edu Ann will also be organizing interdisciplinary sessions on Urban and Regional Economics. DEADLINES: November 1st Proposals for complete panels (no abstracts needed) December 1st Abstracts for individual papers, discussants, or chairs OTHER PANEL ORGANIZERS: If you wish to give a paper or be a discussant on these sessions, please contact them directly: MONEY AND FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS: L. Randall Wray Department of Economics University of Denver Denver, CO Phone: 303-871-2245 FAX: 303-871-4000 Internet: wray@Levy.Bard.edu LABOR MARKETS AND DISCRIMINATION: Steve Shulman Department of Economics Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 Phone 303-491-6940 FAX: 303-491-2925 Internet: sshulman@vines.colostate.edu TEACHING ECONOMICS: Brent McClintock Department of Economics Carthage College 2001 Alford Drive Kenosha, WI 53140 Phone: 414-551-5852 FAX: 414-551-6208 Internet: btm@cns.carthage.edu THE TEXAS SCHOOL OF INSTITUTIONAL ECONOMICS: Ron Stanfield Department of Economics Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 Phone 303-491-6891 FAX: 303-491-2925 Internet: rstanfield@vines.colostate.edu INTERDISCIPLINARY SESSIONS: The WSSA was established to encourage interaction among the disciplines of the social sciences. If you wish to propose an interdisciplinary session please contact the following: ECONOMICS/AFIT Ronnie J. Phillips Department of Economics Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 Phone: 303-491-6079 (voice mail) FAX: 303-491-2925 Internet: rphillips@vines.colostate.edu MULTIDISCIPLINARY PANELS Kathleen Brook Department of Economics Box 30001 New Mexico State University Las Cruces, NM 880003 Phone 505-646-4905 FAX 505-646-1915 WOMEN'S STUDIES Patricia Dorman Department of Sociology Boise State University 1910 University Drive Boise ID 83706 Phone 208-385-3409 FAX: 208-385-4371 BORDERLANDS STUDIES Ed Williams Department of Politial Science University of Arizona Tucson AZ 85721 Phone 602-621-7600 FAX: 602-621-5051 CHICANO STUDIES Devon Pena Department of Sociology Colorado College 14 E. Cache La Poudre Colorado Springs, CO 80903 Phone: 719-389-6642 FAX: 719-634-4180 ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY AND NATURAL RESOURCES MANAGEMENT Zachary Smith Department of Political Science Northern Arizona University Box 15036 Flagstaff AZ 86011-5036 Phone: 602-523-7020 FAX: 602-523-6777 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 15:52:02 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Odeana R. Neal, Univ. of Baltimore School of Law" Subject: Re: More on the "urgent request" ********************************************************************* On Sun, 18 Jul 1993, Betty J Glass sent a message which said: ********************************************************************* >The Internet is revolutionizing communication. We are no longer slowed by >getting letters typed or envelopes addressed. Large group contact can be >achieved at a home or office pc at any time instead of once or twice a >year at professional conferences or via letters to the editor of a >professional journal. Yes, the Internet is revolutionary, but it allows for detection of comments in a way that other means of communication don't. Someone said that this vehicle was like a television and not like the telephone and s/he was right. And the television analogy holds not only for large forums like mailing lists, but also for "private" one-sender-to-another communications. And attempts to sell programs to people that would allow for scrambling of messages to ensure that only the intended receiver would read them has been blocked by the government. >I can well imagine there are those who would >prefer the masses not have access to such a powerful tool. Yes, but what better way to be able to tap into people's ideas? -- Odeana ************************************************************************ Odeana Neal, Univ. of Baltimore School of Law Bitnet: easlneal@ube Voice: 410-837-4644 Internet: easlneal@ube.ub.umd.edu FAX: 410-837-4560 ************************************************************************ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 04:15:56 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Bat Sheva Subject: Re: Graduate Program please tell me where i can find this last pub. of 91. i'd like to get the new one one of next spring as well. thanks very much. bat-sheva. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 03:20:35 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Patrick Subject: SHARP The current (July 14) issue of the *Chronicle of Higher Education* features a cover story about the burgeoning field of the history of print culture--"book history," for short. As so much of the most interesting recent work in the field has come from feminist scholars, I thought some of the folks here might be interested in learning about a new organization featured in that article. Its acronym is SHARP, which stands for "Society for the History of Authorship, Reading, and Publishing." SHARP was begun two years ago as a way of bringing together scholars now working in a wide variety of disciplines and departments--literary scholars, historians, archivists, bibliographers, publishing professionals, and so on-- who share a common interest in the history of books, newspapers, and periodicals. Our first conference was held in New York last month, and featured a wonderful variety of papers from British, European, Canadian, Australian, and American scholars working on a wide range of periods and cultures. The Library of Congress will host the July 1994 conference, for which a call-for-papers will be issued by the end of this summer. If anyone would like more information about SHARP, the person to write to is the fellow on the CHE cover: Jonathan Rose, who can be reached at the History Department, Drew University, Madison, NJ 07940, or by e-mail to JEROSE@DREW (Bitnet). Membership in SHARP is currently $10 for U.S. residents or $15 overseas, though these will rise by $5 in August; members receive the Society's newsletter (with info about new publications, conferences, etc.) and, when it's ready next month, a membership directory. SHARP also has a listserv, which I manage, called SHARP-L; subscriptions should be placed to LISTSERV@IUBVM (Bitnet) or LISTSERV@IUBVM.UCS.INDIANA.EDU, with the command SUB SHARP-L [your name]. I'd be glad to answer any questions about SHARP-L, or to help out with any glitches in signing on. The future of print history is looking especially exciting these days, and this seemed like a good time and place to do a little spreading of the word about a group that's trying to provide ways for scholars in the field to talk to and learn from one another. _____________________ Patrick Leary pleary@iubacs (BITNET) pleary@ucs.indiana.edu (Internet) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 04:44:45 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Bat Sheva Subject: Re: statistics can you give me some more information on "wac stats:the facts.. for example: can i find info. concerning women history, dealing with socialist women women in the 20 women in the 20st century. thanks. bat-sheva. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 18:41:23 GMT+0930 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Xalid Organization: NT University Library, Australia Subject: LCSH ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 08:39:01 -0600 Reply-to: Library cataloging and authorities discussion group" , alirs%msu.dnet%MTSUNIX1.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu From: alirs%msu.dnet%MTSUNIX1.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: LCSH To: Multiple recipients of list AUTOCAT The following posted to AUTOCAT may be of interest to WMST-Lers. I draw particular attention to the 3rd paragraph. I think the opinion expressed deserves comment. "A catalogue is useful because of its controlled subjectivity" -- useful to whom, for what? I have not requested permission to forward this; I trust that I have breached no protocols. Xalid Text begins here: I simply must jump in from another list on the subject of LC's "Lawyer's wives" and the like. Frankly, that term is descriptive and I see no reason to change it. Subject cataloguing is at the most fundamental level a subjective endea- vor. The only objectivity is in applying some standardization to the process, which is often at the mercy of memory, time devoted to the task, and the price of breakfast bagels on a given morning. I find many of the changes being imposed on the list more disguisory than revealing, fraught with as much bias but in a reverse direction. If the topic in a work concerns lawyers' wives then the heading should reflect that. If the topic is doctors' sons, the heading should reflect that. If the topic is women dry wall contrators (though I can't imagine writing on such a nar- row topic) then the heading should reflect that. There is a real danger in letting politics dictate access--the near-worst kind of subjectivity. Gender and race have replaced economics as the intellectual battleground of the 21st century. Scholarship, once the subjective unifier, is often now a fragmented divider. In an effort to please everyone and become completely, homogeneously objective, we will please no one, becoming instead a pale reflection of political whim and fancy. A catalogue is useful because of its controlled subjectivity. Richard Saunders saunders/lib@renne.lib.montana.edu Montana State Univ. alirs%msu.dnet@mtsunix1.bitnet ******************************************************************** Xalid ABD-UL-WAHID, Cataloguing Librarian, NT University Library, PO Box 41246, Casuarina, Northern Territory, Australia Telephone:+61-89-466-011*work*; +61-89-481-802*home*; Facsimile:+61- 89-451-317. ++I have always disliked being a man ... Even the expression "Be a man!" strikes me as insulting and abusive. It means: Be stupid, be unfeeling, obedient and soldierly, and stop thinking. Manliness ... is a hideous and crippling lie, ... it is also by its very nature destructive -- emotionally damaging and socially harmful++ (Paul Theroux) ******************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 19:13:28 GMT+0930 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Xalid Organization: NT University Library, Australia Subject: Transvestism A colleague has requested me to post the following inquiry: Has anyone any citations (articles or monograph titles) for works which deal with Transvestism in Southeast Asia, preferably works published in the region and or written from a Southeast Asian perspective. Replies may be directed to me: Xalid@library.ntu.edu.au Thanks Xalid ******************************************************************** Xalid ABD-UL-WAHID, Cataloguing Librarian, NT University Library, PO Box 41246, Casuarina, Northern Territory, Australia Telephone:+61-89-466-011*work*; +61-89-481-802*home*; Facsimile:+61- 89-451-317. ***************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 09:20:24 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ethel tobach Subject: Re: More on the "urgent request" In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 17 Jul 1993 16:54:00 CDT from There is a growing literature on the ways in which electronic mail data are used by various governmental agencies, private mail order businesses, credit status companies, banks, medical records, etc. I don't mean to alarm anyone, but this is a fact of life that all people on networks, or responsible for networks should know. I would have to look through my files for this information, but if it is needed, I can furnish it. Ethel Tobach ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 09:23:51 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: ethel tobach Subject: Re: More on the "urgent request" In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 17 Jul 1993 20:59:56 -0400 from Thanks again for Joan's alertness...I too could not find the article. ethel ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 09:33:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: am68 Subject: Re: Address/phone for National Victim Center? In-Reply-To: <9307191635.AA00426@umd5.umd.edu> >National Victim Center >307 W. 7th St., Ste. 1001 >Ft Worth, TX 76102 >(817) 877-3355 > from the 1993 Encyclopedia of Associations. > >At the risk of sounding like a broken record, did you call your library to ask >for this information? This is what libraries and librarians do, in part. > >Gretchen Pearson >Le Moyne College >Syracuse, NY >pearson@lemoyne.bitnet Funny I sent Sharon the same information to her Umail address and it was rejected as an illegal address. She said to send it privately -- why?> ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 09:49:44 -0400 Reply-To: korenman@UMBC2.UMBC.EDU Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: Update re Iana Hi. I had a long, very interesting phone conversation last night with Iana Pattatucci and came away feeling reassured. She sounds fine. She also feels that the wisest course of action right now is for her to continue her research and for us to let the matter drop. The more fuss people make, the more likelihood there is of attracting neanderthals' uninformed and unhelpful attention to her work. I agree. Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc P.S. Iana hopes to be back on WMST-L before long. P.P.S. The article appears in the July 16 issue of SCIENCE, which wasn't yet in the database I checked. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 09:54:52 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lucy Candib MD Subject: teaching about race and working class students Sherry, have you seen the essay by Mary Helen Washington in Gendered Subjects ? (eds, Margo Culley and Catherine Portuges): "How racial differences helped us discover our common ground." There may be several other essays in same volume of use to you as well. Lucy M. Candib, M.D. Family Health and Social Service Center 875 Main St. Worcester, Massachusetts 01610 508-756-3528 lcandib@umassmed.ummed.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 11:11:53 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Libbie Chute Subject: Clinton nominee in trouble While we're being paranoid about Ianucci (sp?): There was a shocking article in Saturday's (7-17) New York Times, page 6. Apparently Tara J. O'Toole, a physician and consultant at the Energy Department is in trouble in her confirmation as Assistant Secretary of Energy "because of her affiliation with a feminist group that formerly characterized itself as Marxist." They have delayed hearings indefinitely. She is a member of a study group, Northeast Feminist Scholars, formerly known eons prior to her joining as Marxist-Feminist Group I. This apparently is raising questions about her "philosophy and judgme nt according to Senator Malcolm Wallop of Wyoming, the ranking Republican of the Energy Committee and MIssissippi's Senator Trent Lott of the same committee . She has been a member of the group since 1981, ten years after they changed their name. She has passed the FBI's clearance procedure and is considered "s uperbly qualified by the energy department. Might I add that in 1971 there wer e Marxist food cooperatives and babysitting circles? GOOD GRIEF! Libbie Chute LIBBIECH@ccvm.sunysb.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 10:26:48 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: carole marmell Subject: Re: Clinton nominee in trouble In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 20 Jul 1993 11:11:53 EDT from On Tue, 20 Jul 1993 11:11:53 EDT Libbie Chute said: >While we're being paranoid about Ianucci (sp?): There was a shocking article >in Saturday's (7-17) New York Times, page 6. Apparently Tara J. O'Toole, a >physician and consultant at the Energy Department is in trouble in her >confirmation as Assistant Secretary of Energy "because of her affiliation with >a feminist group that formerly characterized itself as Marxist." I find myself less bothered by this than Libbie is. In politics, there's always something that can be used against a nominee, and it doesn't have to be accurate or logical. Whether or not we liked Zoe Baird, the social security flap was a stealth issue. Carole Marmell ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ carole nadelman marmell, m.s.w. houston, texas socwlr@uhupvm1 (bitnet) or @uhupvm1.uh.edu (internet) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 11:05:00 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beth Lee Simon Subject: Re: libbie's message about Clinton's nominee in trouble And I'd like to add that, in the 70's, what made these groups Marxist was that they were cooperative. beth simon dictionary of american regional english univeristy of wisconsin-madison blsimon@macc.wisc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 12:10:04 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Resent-From: "Ginsberg, Elaine K" Comments: Originally-From: Bonnie Anderson From: "Ginsberg, Elaine K" Subject: jackson annc Comments-on: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 12:09:31 EDT Comments-of: "Ginsberg, Elaine K" ***----------------------> Original Mail From <----------------------*** Bonnie Anderson ***------------------------------------------------------------------*** Please post this. ENDOWED CHAIR BRITISH LITERATURE West Virginia University continues to encourage applications and nominations for the Jackson Family Chair in British Literature. The University is seeking someone with a distinguished record of teaching and of scholarly publications who will contribute in significant ways to the graduate and undergraduate programs in the Department of English. Period of specialization is less important than excellence in research and teaching. This permanent appointment will be at the rank of Professor with a starting date in 1994. The closing date is now set for 30 September 1993. Candidates should submit a letter of application, complete current vitae, information about work in progress, and five letters of reference to: RUDOLPH P. ALMASY JACKSON SEARCH COMMITTEE DEPARTMENT OF ENGLISH WEST VIRGINIA UNIVERSITY PO BOX 6296 MORGANTOWN, WV 26506-6296 E-Mail Queries RALMASY@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU FAX 304-293-5380 WVU is an Affirmative Action, Equal Opportunity Employer ***---------------------> End of Original Mail <---------------------*** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 12:24:00 -0400 Reply-To: korenman@UMBC2.UMBC.EDU Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: The Nag Strikes Again PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE remember that WMST-L is NOT the appropriate place to discuss Clinton appointees, politics in general, violence against women, male/female relations, and most other gender-related societal issues. There are a number of other lists that exist for such purposes, among them FEMAIL, WOMEN, GENDER, FEMISA, and soc.feminism. See Section 13 of the WMST-L User's Guide for more information about these and other lists. (For an expanded version of Section 13, send the message GET OTHER LISTS WMST-L to LISTSERV@UMDD (Bitnet) or LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU (Internet). DO NOT SEND THAT MESSAGE TO WMST-L!!) The volume of mail on WMST-L is already heavy. Broadening the list's focus would substantially increase that volume, and the list would cease to be so useful for many subscribers. Thus, the list's focus is not going to change. If this focus (on Women's Studies teaching, research, and program administration) makes WMST-L not the right list for you, you can unsubscribe by sending the message SIGNOFF WMST-L to LISTSERV@UMDD (if you subscribed under your Bitnet address) or LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU (if you subscribed under your Internet address). If one address doesn't work, try the other. DO NOT send your signoff message to WMST-L. Thanks for your understanding and cooperation. Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 11:58:20 LCL Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ruth Ginzberg Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University Subject: Re: Clinton nominee in trouble >While we're being paranoid about Ianucci (sp?): There was a shocking article >in Saturday's (7-17) New York Times, page 6. Apparently Tara J. O'Toole, a >physician and consultant at the Energy Department is in trouble in her >confirmation as Assistant Secretary of Energy "because of her affiliation with >a feminist group that formerly characterized itself as Marxist." In trying to respect Joan's (WMST-L listowner) strick division between on-list and off-list topics, I see a difference between these 2 cases that makes Iana's clearly a suitable subject for the list, while Tara J O'Toole's might not be. Iana was a member of *THIS* list and what was at issue *appeared* to be (at first) whether her research on homosexuality, and the USA gov'ts response to that, might jeopardize other members of *this* list (us). This is clearly an issue regarding the free exchange of academic research & information BETWEEN US on THIS list in particular -- thus making it a suitable topic for this list. In Tara O'Toole's case, however, the question was whether her participation in some *other* list (which used, at least for a while, the self-identification of 'feminist') would jeopardize her nomination to a government post. While that is something we all ought to be concerned about, it doesn't fall nearly so clearly under the terms of the charter of purpose for Wmst-l. That, I think, makes a good case for why this discussion, but not the other one, belongs off list. Please do not take this to be a flame. I am a philosopher...I think this way all the time...it is not a personal rebuke. ------------------------ Ruth Ginzberg Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 12:57:34 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: clarification re list focus I'm reluctant to send two meta-communications on the same day, but I fear I may not have made my first point sufficiently clear, and I'd hate to see a discussion start from a misunderstanding. I agree fully with what Ruth Ginzberg said in her recent posting: discussion of Iana's situation DID belong on WMST-L, for exactly the reasons Ruth put forward, whereas discussion of Tara O'Toole's situation elsewhere. Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 11:59:00 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lisa Fischler Subject: unsubscribe please unsubscribe me from all newsnets except cnd-us. Thanks Lisa Fischler ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 14:33:44 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Nancy Seale Osborne Subject: Re: BACKLASH AT PENN STATE In-Reply-To: <9307190633.AA14163@oswego-gw> Beatrice, I am sure the new leadership of NWSA would like to receive your recommendations. Vivian Ng is the new president. Best, Nancy osborne@oswego.oswego.edu On Mon, 19 Jul 1993, Beatrice Kachuck wrote: > no, nancy, i wasn't volunteering to chair such a committee. I was pointing out > that an organization carries more weight than an individual and should/can be > called upon when a member has a problem. the backlash at penn state seems like > ly to be part of a larger problem. what usually happens in such a situation is > that an organization like nwsa either identifies a standing committee in whose > purview the problem falls and asks it to work on it or appoints an ad hoc comm > ittee of people who have some expertise in the matter to work on it. i don't h > ave the expertise, might agree to learn if asked and could give it the time. > as far as i know, nobody at penn state asked nwsa for help; i think they should > to give you an idea of what i have in mind: i chair a committee in cuny's women > 's coalition, working to get the university to strengthen its sexual harassment > policy, ie, using the organization's voice (with its agreement) as a more power > ful means on behalf of all women in cuny. the risk in these organization proce > sses, and this is something we should teach our ws students, is that individual > s then come to think someone at the top takes care of things and they have no > responsibilities. that's not true in sexual harassment or in backlash. policie > s don't settle problems and neither does a letter from an organization. both > collective and individual activities have to go on. cuny has 18 campuses. if > there were no work at each in the course of the coalition campaign, and no > follow-up once a new policy is in place (i'm optimistic that it will be an > improvement) we'll have no real change. beatrice ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 15:43:01 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Wendy Thomas Subject: The SECOND woman I've received a difficult reference question; perhaps the subscribers to WMST-L can help! Someone wants the names of women who were the SECOND woman (not the FIRST) to succeed in a particular field. For example, the second woman physician, the second woman to swim the English Channel. I've managed to come up with only a few names. Reference works, of course, list the FIRST's, but rarely the second... I'd appreciate any suggestions. Please respond privately. Thank you! Wendy Thomas Schlesinger Library, Radcliffe College Cambridge, MA 02138 (617)495-8647 WENDY@HARVARDA.HARVARD.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 07:20:00 PST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: SusanKullmannPuz Subject: Re: More on the "urgent request" >There is a growing literature on the ways in which >electronic mail data are used by various governmental >agencies, private mail order businesses, credit status companies, >banks, medical records, etc. I don't mean to alarm anyone, but >this is a fact of life that all people on networks, or responsible >or networks should know. I would have to look through my files >for this information, but if it is needed, I can furnish it. Ethel Tobach >Ethel Tobach I would be interested in some citations on this -- as would, I suspect, many on this list. Please look through your files. ************************************* Susan Kullmann Puz Women's Studies CSU Long Beach skpuz@beach1.csulb.edu (Int erNet) ************************************ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 15:05:51 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Alison Leigh Brown Subject: Re: More on the "urgent request" A request was just made with respect to citations concerning privacy on the net. Two groups, at least, deal with this issue: talk.eff.org and alt.privacy. They are good places for specific cites. Related issues are discussed in the May/June 1993 issue of Wired (a fairly new magazine) has an article called Rebels with a Cause (Your Privacy) on the government's reluctance to allow cyphering and more importantly on resistance to this. The July August issue has a profile on the ACLU's Janlori Goldman and her concern re privacy in these electronic times. Sometime this summer in either Time or Newsweek there was a cover story on the issues more related to information broadly speaking: credit cards, library cards, social security etc. I realize that this is not very specific. :-). While reading this thread I have been alarmed to find that many seem to think that privacy is a feature of any electronic communication. I think it is important for us to realize that anyone with computer knowledge who wants to read our messages, but particularly in groups, can. (I don't think this knowledge should silence us but it is worth noting and remembering.) ****************************************************************************** *** Alison Leigh Brown alb@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu *** ****************************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 18:04:00 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beth Lee Simon Subject: privacy and the net From: IN%"TNC@GITVM1.BITNET" "TECHNOCULTURE discussion list" To: Multiple recipients of list CREWRT-L Subject: Paperback writer... Received: from UIUCVM42 by WISCMACC.BitNet; Tue, 20 Jul 93 17:59 CDT Received: from VM42.CSO.UIUC.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UIUCVM42) by VM42.CSO.UIUC.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2441; Tue, 20 Jul 1993 22:22:12 +0000 Message-Id: <23072017593819@WISCMACC.BitNet> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 17:20:16 CDT From: Eric Crump Reply-To: "\"TECHNOCULTURE\" discussion list" Sender: Creative Writing in Education for Teachers and Students Subject: Paperback writer... To: Multiple recipients of list CREWRT-L Comments: Resent-From: Eric Crump Comments: Originally-From: Terry Harpold X-To: Creative Writing in Education , English at MU ---------------------- Information from the mail header ----------------------- Sender: Creative Writing in Education for Teachers and Students Poster: Eric Crump Subject: Paperback writer... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FYI --Eric ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >From clari.nb.general, 7/20/93: NEW YORK, NEW YORK, U.S.A., 1993 JUL 19 (NB) -- INTER.PACT Press has announced that it has released "Terminal Compromise" by Winn Schwartau as a shareWare "novel-on-the-net" (a term that the company has trademarked). Terminal Connections was previously published as a 562 page hardcover book (ISBN 0-962-87000-5) and, according to the publishers "has sold extremely well world-wide." The novel is billed as a techno-thriller, claiming to deal with information uses, piracy and attempts to exploit weakness in the US techno-economic infrastructure. According to INTER.PACT, the book is not being issued into the public domain and, in issuing it as shareware, neither the author nor the publisher is waiving any rights or copyrights. INTER.PACT claims that the work is "being distributed electronically so hundreds of thousands more people can enjoy it and understand just where we are heading with our omnipresent interconnectedness and the potential dangers we face." The manuscript may be obtained through use of File Transfer Protocol (FTP) over the Internet. FTP is a term used to describe the automated download of a file from a computer system over the Internet, using standard protocols. To download the file automatically over the net, Internet-connected users should log on to netsys.com (in the /pub/novel directory); or wuarchive.wustl.edu(/doc/misc); or soda.berkeley.edu (/pub/novel). The announcement refers to the net version of Terminal Connection as the "world's first novel-on-the-net". It also mentions that the work is still available in traditional form in bookstores. (Barbara E. McMullen & John F. McMullen/19930719/Press Contact: Winn Schwartau, 813-393-6600 (voice); 813-393-6361 (fax); Email over the Internet: wschwartau@mcimail.com) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Terry Harpold tharpold@mail.sas.upenn.edu Comp. Literature and Lit. Theory University of Pennsylvania "Don't be afraid of Lobo, Philadelphia, PA 19104 he's as gentle as a kitchen!" ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 18:06:00 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beth Lee Simon Subject: privacy and the net I am very sorry. I was attemtping to forward something to this list and ended up forwarding a different message from me to another individual. beth simon blsimon@macc.wisc.edu (I wondered how that happened when others did it, now I know!) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 20:32:42 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Carl M. Kadie" Subject: Re: More on the "urgent request" Another source of information about computer privacy, especially with respect to academic systems, is the computers and academic freedom newsgroup. There is also an archive at ftp.eff.org. - Carl ==================================== Computers and Academic Freedom Mailing List Purpose: To discuss questions such as: How should general principles of academic freedom (such as freedom of expression, freedom to read, due process, and privacy) be applied to university computers and networks? How are these principles actually being applied? How can the principles of academic freedom as applied to computers and networks be defended? Mitch Kapor of the Electronic Frontier Foundation has given the discussion a home on the eff.org machine. As of Sept, 1991, the list has 375 members in at least five countries. Thousands more read the list via newsgroups alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk and alt.comp.acad-freedom.news. There are four versions of the mailing list. comp-academic-freedom-talk - you'll received dozens of e-mail notes every day. comp-academic-freedom-batch - about once a day, you'll receive a compilation of the day's notes. comp-academic-freedom-news - about once a week you'll receive a compilation of the best notes of the week. comp-academic-freeedom-abstracts - about one a week you'll receive the abstract of the current comp-academic-freedom-news (CAF-news). You'll also receive instructions on how to access the current CAF-news. To join a version of the list, send mail to listserv@eff.org. Include the line "add ". (Other commands are "delete " and "help"). If you have problems, send email to caf-requests@eff.org. In any case, after you join the list you can send e-mail to the list by addressing it to caf-talk@eff.org. Alternatively, if you may be able to read the mailing lists as newsgroups. Look for alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk and alt.comp.acad-freedom.news. An abstract and archive of comp-academic-freedom-news is available via anonymous ftp from ftp.eff.org. See file "pub/academic/abstracts" and "pub/academic/README". These files are also available via email (Send email to archive-server@eff.org. Include the lines "help" and "index".) ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ The long version: When my grandmother attended the University of Illinois fifty-five years ago, academic freedom meant the right to speak up in class, to created student organizations, to listen to controversial speakers, to read "dangerous" books in the library, and to be protected from random searches of your dorm room. Today these rights are guaranteed by most universities. These days, however, my academic life very different from my grandmother's. Her academic life was centered on the classroom and the student union. Mine centers on the computer and the computer network. In the new academia, my academic freedom is much less secure. It is time for a discussion of computers and academic freedom. I've been in contact with Mitch Kapor. He has given the discussion a home on the eff.org machine. The suppression of academic freedom on computers is common. At least once a month, someone posts on plea on Usenet for help. The most common complaint is that a newsgroup has been banned because of its content (usually alt.sex). In January, 1991, a sysadmin at the University of Wisconsin didn't ban any newsgroups directly. Instead, he reduced the newsgroup expiration time so that reading groups such as alt.sex is almost impossible. In April, 1991, a sysadmin at Case Western reported that he had removed a note that a student had posted to a local newsgroup. The sysadmin said the information in the note could be misused. In other cases, university employees may be reading e-mail or looking through user files. This may happen with or without some prior notice that e-mail and files are fair game. In many of these cases the legality of the suppression is unclear. It may depend on user expectation, prior announcements, and whether the university is public or private. The legality is, however, irrelevant. The duty of the University is not to suppress everything it legally can; rather it is to support the free and open investigation and expression of ideas. This is the ideal of academic freedom. In this role, the University acts a model of how the wider world should be. (In the world of computers, universities are perhaps the most important model of how things should be). If you are interested in discussing this issues, or if you have first-hand experience with academic surpression on computers or networks, please join the mailing list. - Carl Kadie ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 19:37:36 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Karen Fresco Subject: Women, Info. Technology and Scholarship (WITS) Cheris Kramarae and Jeanie Taylor have just published a book that will be of interest to people on this list. "Women, Information Technology, and Scholarship (WITS)" "focuses on the social and political aspects of new information technologies, including computer networks, electronic mail, computer data bases, electronic publishing and distributions systems; includes articles by women in the forefront of the technology debate; and an annotated bibliography of women and technology materials." (*Inside Illinois*, July 15, 1993) This publication is available from the Center for Advanced Study at the University of Illinois-Urbana. (Jeanie Taylor's e-mail address, should you have queries, is jeanietc@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu) Karen Fresco French Department University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign kfresco@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 19:08:50 MDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2 Comments: Resent-From: Lahoucine Ouzgane From: Lahoucine Ouzgane Subject: BACKLASH AT PENN STATE From: Lahoucine Ouzgane >From another list. FYI. ----------------------- *** Forwarding note from PURTOPOI--PURCCVM 93-07-20 17:12 *** Return-Path: <@VM.UCS.UALBERTA.CA:OWNER-PURTOPOI@VM.CC.PURDUE.EDU> Received: from utorgpu (NJE origin MAILER@UTORGPU) by VM.UCS.UALBERTA.CA (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9495; Tue, 20 Jul 1993 17:12:49 -0600 Received: from UTORVM by gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca with SMTP id <18579>; Tue, 20 Jul 1993 19:13:31 -0400 Received: from vm.utcc.utoronto.ca by vm.utcc.utoronto.ca (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2734; Tue, 20 Jul 93 19:11:37 EDT Received: from UTORONTO.BITNET by vm.utcc.utoronto.ca (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 5375; Tue, 20 Jul 93 19:11:30 EDT Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 13:55:21 -0400 Reply-To: "Rhetoric, Language, Prof Writing" Sender: "Rhetoric, Language, Prof Writing" From: Nancy Allen Subject: BACKLASH AT PENN STATE To: Multiple recipients of list PURTOPOI Message-Id: <93Jul20.191331edt.18579@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca> Some people have mentioned wanting more information on the problems at Penn State. I contacted a friend at Penn State and asked for some further details. Here's the response, which I have permission to forward to the list. (I removed the name just to save my friend from having to devote more time to this than I intended.) Nancy-- There is a relatively new newspaper on campus that is staffed by conservative sophomoric students--it's independently operated and not under the auspices of the university. They have made themselves obnoxious to many groups on campus by publishing opinions backed by little more than their own prejudices. They have picked on women's studies and I believe did send people to sit in on classes and then wrote stories taking discussions out of the context of the class as a whole. I think that kind of behavior has stopped but they still write pretty invective pieces about women's studies, etc. Obviously these students are obnoxious but they are perfectly within their rights to publish any moronic misinformation they want. Freedom of the press is not reserved for "responsible" journalists we agree with. The best response I think would be to publish an alternative newspaper promoting women's issues. The current situation involves two students accused of stealing and destroying over half the run of one issue of the paper. Someone also started a bonfire of the papers on the lawn of one of the newspaper publishers. This kind of activity does a lot of harm to women's studies--more harm than the original stories ever could do. So there's my take on it for what it's worth. The women's groups on campus are somewhat divided--some are appalled at the notion of selective civil rights. The local press came out in support of freedom of the press--even obnoxious press-- and helped the Lionhearted recoup some losses on a new issue. They're not anti-feminist--this paper has strongly supported abortion rights, etc., but they were appalled at this kind of attack on civil liberties. The particular trustee who supports the paper does not intimidate anyone-- he's known to shoot off his mouth on odd-ball positions. The president has actually taken some public progressive positions--he was the one to make sure that sexual orientation got added to our affirmative action statement. All in all, the Lionhearted is hardly the Dartmouth Review and I think people are over-reacting. No, Penn State is not an ideal environment but it's gotten noticeably better for women and minorities since I've been here and the administration seems committed to continuing the trend. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 21:24:59 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Dianna Laurent Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University Subject: Re: BACKLASH AT PENN STATE Lorraine, Thanks so much for your note. I'd love corresponding with you and Judy...just sent her a note. Bad day to start as you can tell since I'm just now checking mail. More tomorrow. Dianna ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1993 22:48:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: BUDDY FILMS file available I have just added another file to the WMST-L filelist: BUDDY FILMS is a compilation of the messages sent to WMST-L about "women buddy movies." To get a copy of this file, send the following message to LISTSERV@UMDD (Bitnet) or LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU (Internet): GET BUDDY FILMS WMST-L To get a list of ALL files on the WMST-L filelist, send LISTSERV a message that says INDEX WMST-L. Please note that this message has only two words--you don't say "send" or "get," just INDEX WMST-L. REMINDER: SEND THESE MESSAGES TO LISTSERV, NOT TO WMST-L. DO NOT HIT "REPLY"! Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 12:00:14 JST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ingrid Orlow-Klein Subject: Zora Neale Hurston/Folklore in Performance Dear Listmembers-- I hope you can help me out of my information void. What I am looking for with minimal success are references to a performance/theatre piece that was put on by Zora Neale Hurston. It was produced several times in various places under different names. Originally, the piece was called *The Great Day* and performed on Broadway at the John Golden Theatre, opening Jan 10, 1932. Hurston then did other versions of the same "revue," under the title *From Sun to Sun* (Jan 1933 at Rollins College), then *Singing Steel* (Nov 1934 in Chicago). I understand it was made up of various smaller pieces. What I am looking for is information on the content of the performance as it was produced in these various versions, any commentary on them, and (maybe most importantly) any later use by other people of these materials. This is part of a larger investigation of the use of folklore materials in live performances, so if you have any other ideas or sources for folklore in performance, please let me know. I've been having some trouble accessing any information on Zora Neale Hurston here in Japan (yes, I'm in Japan!), so anything you can send me is greatly appreciated. Ingrid Orlow-Klein Bitnet: iorlow@jpnnucba Internet: iorlow%jpnnucba.bitnet@pucc.princeton.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 01:27:47 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Angela E Taylor Subject: Re: working-class students Sherry, Have you seen or have any comment on Working-Class Women in The Academy: Laborers in the KNowledge Factory, edited by Michelle M. Tokarczyk & Elizabeth A. Fay, Univ of Mass, 1993? I have only glanced at it in the store. For those who have not seen this, Publishers; Weekly summary describes this title as follows: In this stimulating and often heartfelt collection of of essays, 20 female academics from working-class back- grounds address the personal, pedagogical & ideological issues raised by their experiences as teachers and stu- dents. Though some essays adopt abstract academic lan- guage, most are personal narratives, and the issue of the appropriate "voice" in academia pervades the book. Pam Annas, after proposing a reading list for a course in working-class literature,explains how she has had her students replace traditional papers with a "critical reading journal" in which they analyze works and connect them to other course materials and to their lives. Several writers struggle with isolation and the "double consciousness" inherent in their position; bell hooks urges understanding and appreciation but not "empty romanticization" of working-class backgrounds. The conventional image of a female scholar, writes Suzanne Sowinska, is "one of refinement"; her essay, like several others, suggests how "economic survival strate- gies" have shaped an identity defined by struggle. Tokarczyk and Fay teach English at Goucher COllege & the Univ of Massachusetts respectively. __________________________________________________________________ | |=======| | "I never thought that reality could | | | be so intense and plastic." |=======| | | Felipe Alfau, Locus: Comedy of Gestures ____________|_____________________________________________________ Angela E. Taylor BITNET: EL406013@Brownvm INTERNET: EL406013@Brownvm.Brown.edu ANGELA@dsl.rhilinet.gov __________________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 00:51:46 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Patrick Subject: SHARP postscript Regarding my earlier posting about the Society for the History of Authorship, Reading, and Publishing (SHARP), it has been helpfully pointed out to me that I failed to make clear how to become a member of the Society. Checks for the dues of $10 ($15 overseas) should be sent to Jonathan Rose, History Department, Drew University, Madison, NJ 07940; British residents can send L7 to Simon Eliot, The Open University, 4 Portwall Lane, Bristol BS1 6ND, UK. You may want to include a word or two about your research interests for inclusion in the SHARP Membership Directory that will be sent to all members in the fall. Thanks, and welcome, to those who've inquired. ____________________ Patrick Leary pleary@iubacs (Bitnet) pleary@ucs.indiana.edu (Internet) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 10:06:38 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Michele L. Simms-Burton" Subject: Call for Papers-Toni Morrison Society The newly formed Toni Morrison Society will sponsor its first scholarly session at the American Literature Association Meeting June 2-5,1 994 in San Diego, California. The focus of the Session will be Toni Morrison's novel Jazz. Cultural, formalist, feminist, historical, and comparative approaches to the novel will be considered. Essays should not exceed twelve pages. Send one-page abstracts to Professor Marilyn Sanders Mobley, Department of English, George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, 22030. Abstract Deadline: January 15, 1994. Michele L. Simms-Burton ls238c@gwuvm ls238c@gwuvm.gwu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 09:27:06 MDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2 Comments: Resent-From: Lahoucine Ouzgane From: Lahoucine Ouzgane Subject: Toni Morrison Society Announcement and Call for Papers From: Lahoucine Ouzgane Thought this might be of interest to some members. Lahoucine ------------------------------------------------------------ *** Forwarding note from AMLIT-L --MIZZOU1 93-07-21 08:16 *** Return-Path: <@VM.UCS.UALBERTA.CA:AMLIT-L@MIZZOU1.BITNET> Received: from utorgpu (NJE origin MAILER@UTORGPU) by VM.UCS.UALBERTA.CA (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4819; Wed, 21 Jul 1993 08:16:41 -0600 Received: from UTORVM by gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca with SMTP id <18579>; Wed, 21 Jul 1993 10:17:19 -0400 Received: from vm.utcc.utoronto.ca by vm.utcc.utoronto.ca (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4789; Wed, 21 Jul 93 10:14:11 EDT Received: from UTORONTO.BITNET by vm.utcc.utoronto.ca (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 2235; Wed, 21 Jul 93 10:14:03 EDT Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 09:41:32 -0400 Reply-To: American Literature Discussion Group Sender: American Literature Discussion Group From: "Michele L. Simms-Burton" Subject: Toni Morrison Society Announcement and Call for Papers To: Multiple recipients of list AMLIT-L Message-Id: <93Jul21.101719edt.18579@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca> Toni Morrison Society An invitation is extended to all individuals interested in joining the Toni Morrison Society. This Society has been established to initiate, sponsor, and encourage critical dialogue, scholarly publications, conference programs, and special projects devoted to the study of the works of Toni Morrison. If you would like to join, please send your name, address, telephone and fax numbers, your area of interest, and your membership dues to Dr. Carolyn C. Denard, Department of English, University Plaza, Georgia State University, Atlanta, Georgia 30303. Membership dues are $30.00 for Charter Membership (through May 31, 1994), $20.00 for Regular Membership, and $10.00 for Student Membership. Checks should be made payable to the Toni Morrison Society Toni Morrison Society Call for Papers The newly formed Toni Morrison Society will sponsor its first scholarly session at the American Literature Association Meeting June 2-5, 1994 in San Diego, California. The focus of the Session will be Toni Morrison's novel Jazz. Cultural, formalist, feminist, historical, and comparative approaches to the novel will be considered. Essays should not exceed twelve pages. Send one-page abstracts to Professor Marilyn Sanders Mobley, Department of English, George Mason University, Fairfax, Virgini 22030. Abstract Deadline: January 15, 1994. Michele L. Simms-Burton ls238c@gwuvm.gwu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 09:54:06 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: NANCY FELIPE RUSSO Subject: REFERENCE HELP In desperation, I once again turn to my women's list support group for help. Last year I read SOMEWHERE a statistic on the number of African Americans who had Native American ancestors because there was a lot of intermarriage among African Americans and Native Americans after slavery was abolished. Can anyone help me with this? Nancy Felipe Russo, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology and Women's Studies Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ 85287-1104 (602)965-0380 FAX:(602) 953-2693 BITNET: ATNFR@ASUACAD INTERNET: ATNFR@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 13:39:50 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "MARY BETH PRINGLE MPRINGLE@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU" Subject: Re: The Political Sociology of Sexual Diversity This is the forest primeval ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 13:46:23 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: DENISE GREEN Subject: International Association for Feminist Economics The International Assoc. for Feminist Economics was not listed in the association guides I checked at my college library. Can a list member please send me its address or the address of its membership contact person? Please reply to me privately and not to WMST-L as a whole. Thanks! Denise Green Ohio Wesleyan University ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 14:00:02 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Paula Gaber Subject: inforM Update The following files and/or directories have been added to the inforM Women's Studies Database: Women's Studies/Politics+Status/GettingItGazette/10-28-92 Women's Studies/Politics+Status/GettingItGazette/11-27-92 Women's Studies/Politics+Status/GettingItGazette/01-20-93 Women's Studies/Politics+Status/GettingItGazette/02-22-93 Women's Studies/Politics+Status/GettingItGazette/04-20-93 Women's Studies/Politics+Status/GettingItGazette/06-20-93 The "Getting It Gazette", a very bright pink publication which began appearing on the floor of the Democratic Convention, has caused a bit of a stir. For those who insist 'women's libbers have no sense of humor', email them an article or two from the Gazette. All back issues of the Gazette are now available on inforM. Women's Studies/ReadingRoom/SexDiscrimCourtDecisions "Sex Discrimination and the United States Supreme Court: Developments in the Law" is a Congressional Research Service Report that summarizes and explains various Supreme Court decisions concerning sex discrimination. To access the inforM database, telnet to INFORM.UMD.EDU. (If you do not know how to telnet, contact a local computer wizard, or try typing "telnet inform.umd.edu" at the main prompt of your computer account). When it asks for a login id, type "gopher". Use either your arrow keys or number keys to select "4. Educational Resources". After that, select "10. Women's Studies". The Gopher interface has a feature that allows users to send files to their e-mail accounts. Scroll to the end of the file and type "m", or press "q", then "m". The inforM system is also accessible by anonymous ftp. FTP to INFORM.UMD.EDU. Login as "anonymous", and use your mail address as a password. Choose the "info" directory by typing "cd info". The command "cd [directory name]" will change the directory. The commands "dir" or "ls" will display a list of files in that directory. Use the command "get [filename]" to download a file into your account. The directory pathname for the Women's Studies Database is info/Teaching/WomensStudies. Your local Gopher System may be set up to automatically link to the Womens's Studies Database. Check the "Other Systems" or "Other Gophers" directory or ask your system administrator for help. Please remember that the system is case sensitive. Anything that appears in quotes must be typed exactly as it is here. If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to contact me. Paula Gaber inforM Coordinator, Women's Studies Database gaber@info.umd.edu (301) 405-2939 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 12:44:56 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Diana Relke Subject: Job ad Further to my email of Monday, here's the text of a sociology job ad: UNIVERSITY OF SASKATCHEWAN, DEPARTMENT OF SOCIOLOGY Applications are invited for a one year limited-term position in Sociology at the Instructor rank for the period from 1st July 1993 to 30th June 1994. We are seeking a candidate with a strong commitment to research, publications, and teaching. Ph.D. is preferred at the time of appointment. This position is in the areas of Women's Studies and Gender Relations and Sociology of Education. Send Curriculum Vitae and the names of three academic referees to: Terry Wotherspoon, Head Department of Sociology University of Saskatchewan Saskatoon, Saskatchewan S7N OWO The closing date for applications is 2nd August 1993. In accordance with Canadian Immigration requirements, the advertisement is directed to Canadian citizens and permanent residents. The University of Saskatchewan is committed to the principles of Employment Equity. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 13:10:27 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Barbara R. Bixby" Subject: wm's cntr evaluations I recently sent out a plea for "hard data" to use in a proposal to create a women's center at Carthage College. Being new to the list, I had neither an appropriate heading nor information on how to reach me privately. I will include that at the close of this request. Carhtage College is a small (1300)liberal arts school in Wisconsin. Several junior faculty are advocating the creation of a Women Center as an umbrella for a number of concerns-sexism, racism, homophobia, date rape, sex education and birth control-the list goes on. We have a conservative president who says that women studies, like Black studies or native american studies is "intellectually indefensible", two deans who are in favor of the idea, but have not taken any leadership and a student population which is unclear what feminism is. for those of you who have women's centers/women's Studies, what sort of "proof" do you have/have you collected over the years that indicates that the existence of such groups improves the campus? How do we "sell" this idea? I have sent for the NWSA document "courage to Question". What else is out there that we can use? Thank you Barbara Bixby Dept of Political Science Carthage College Kenosha WI 53140 e-mail barbarabixby@cns.carthage.edu 414-551-5805 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 15:41:11 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Patrice McDermott Subject: Re: Statistics For information on women and nontraditional work, contact Wider Opportunities for Women, 1325 G Street NW, Washington, DC 20005, (202)737-5764. Patrice McDermott patricem@cap.gwu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 15:54:11 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jami Peelle Subject: BUDDY MOVIES Thanks to all who responded to my question about buddy movies. I've been out of town because of a death in my family. It was great to return to a rather lengthy list of titles and the news that someone had already done my job of compiling all the titles and adding the list to the UMD database. Jami Peelle Peelle@KENYON.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 16:32:20 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: maureen korp Subject: Re: REFERENCE HELP In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 21 Jul 1993 09:54:06 -0700 from The mixture occured not just after slavery was abolished but from the beginning of contact and almost everywhere throughout the eastern woodlands. Sorry that I cannot give you a statistic, but I would expect it to be a considerable percentage. The most famous recent case concerned the town of Mashpee, Mass. and the Wampanoag Indian claim for tribal status. Alice Kehoe has a pretty concise, but complete summary of the essential points in her basic textbook on Indians of North America. best wishes, Maureen Korp, PhD University of Ottawa ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 19:33:25 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: gary carson Subject: background on urgent request From: MX%"SCIFRAUD%ALBNYVM1.BITNET@SHSU.edu" 19-JUL-1993 12:10:08.81 To: ECO_GXC CC: Subj: The Ideology of Homosexuality Return-Path: <@TAMVM1.TAMU.EDU:owner-scifraud@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDU> Received: from TAMVM1.TAMU.EDU (MAILER) by SHSU (MX V3.3 VAX) with BSMTP; Mon, 19 Jul 1993 12:09:55 CST Received: from TAMVM1.TAMU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@TAMVM1) by TAMVM1.TAMU.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7310; Mon, 19 Jul 1993 12:06:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 00:45:49 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Fraud in Science Sender: Discussion of Fraud in Science From: ACHiggins Subject: The Ideology of Homosexuality To: Multiple recipients of list SCIFRAUD The Ideology of Homosexuality Can an ideology be fashioned on the findings of science? There are examples of the rhetorical use of science and, of course, Hitler's Germany is the best example. At that time, anthropology, eugenics, and medicine-- among others -- lent their support to the biological explanation of social inequality and inferiority, even justifying the Final Solution. That should provide an excellent example of the dangers inherent in basing moral judgments on the vagaries of science. There is a strong temptation in this sensate age to find materialistic, deterministic, and simplistic "causes" of human behavior. Ours is an age that celebrates science, one that is guilty of tremendous pro-science bias. But there are very real limits to the power of science. Science has been guilty of all sorts of abuse and horrid things have been done, as it were, in the name of science. And with the publication of Dean Hamer's work in Science last week, the arguments begin again. Science is being misused for a variety of social purposes. Here is a reporter's statement of the arguments today. This is the Times article in its entirety. ++++++++++ \Angier, Natalie. "Study of Sex Orientation Doesn't Neatly Fit Mold," New York Times, 18 July 1993, p. 24.\ In the sharp debate over the significance of recent work suggesting a biological basis for sexual orientation, all sides are struggling to reconcile the new findings with the political aims and personal convictions. A report this week linking male homosexuality to a region of the X chromosome has reignited the question of how much a person's sexual predilections are inborn and how much a result of choice made, consciously or otherwise, from early childhood onward. And though the work remains to be validated by other researchers and almost surely does not apply to all homosexual men, leaders of gay groups, scientists and policy makers are already tussling over its potential impact in the quest for gay rights. On the face of it, the new research would seem to be a windfall for the gay rights movement, offering a scientific rationale for what many homosexual always believed: that their sexuality is a profound and unchangeable part of themselves. As such the work seems to reinforce the argument that sexual orientation is worthy of all legal protection accorded other minorities. Thus liberals, who in the past dismissed a genetic explanation for behavior traits like intelligence, find themselves embracing the idea that sexual orientation is innate. But some gay-rights leaders view the latest findings as simple-minded and potentially dangerous. Worried that the new emphasis on the biological origins of homosexuality stems in part from the desire to find some medical means of fixing it, they also doubt that biology alone can explain the complexity of homosexuality or that discrimination can be ended with a simple wave of a laboratory test tube. "The easy political distinctions break down with this issue," said Dr. Tamar D. Gershon, director of the Rainbow clinic, a pediatric clinic for the children of gay and lesbian parents at the University of California at San Francisco. "It's considered politically incorrect now to talk about sexual preference. You're supposed to talk about sexual orientation, because that sounds more biological." But for many people, herself included, "genetics alone is not a satisfactory explanation. Homosexuality is a large, many-factors thing with social, political and environmental roots." The new report, from the laboratory of Dr. Dean H. Hamer at the National Cancer Institute in Bethesda, Md., is the latest in a string of studies claiming to detect a biological basis for sexual orientation, from anatomical research claiming to see differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men, to studies of lesbian and gay male twins. The Hamer study is considered by many scientists to be the most rigorous to date. In the study reported in the journal Science on Friday, the researchers found that 33 of 40 pairs of homosexual brothers had identical regions on a tip of the X chromosome, suggesting one or more genes in that chromosomal neighborhood may have helped cause the men's homosexuality. But other genes, as well as environmental influences, almost surely help sculpt a person's sexual nature, Dr. Hamer said. Of immediate concern to many homosexuals is whether the new research will help in their efforts to block anti gay-rights ordinances under consideration in some states, and to promote the passage of anti-discrimination laws in others. Gregory J. King, a spokesman for the Human Rights Campaign Fund, the largest national lobbying group for gay and lesbian rights, noted the potential benefits of a biological explanation. "We know from polls that when people understand that sexual orientation is not chosen, they are more inclined to support basic civil rights for lesbian and gay people," he said. Richard Green, a doctor and a lawyer at the University of California in Los Angeles and author of "Sexual Science and the Law" (Harvard University Press, 1993), said the new biological work could well result in overturning laws that discriminate against homosexuals. "There is something the courts call immutability, when a thing is unchangeable," he said. "The classic example of that is race." If homosexuality could be deemed as unchangeable as race, he said, then laws that discriminated against homosexuals would have to serve some extraordinarily compelling state interest to remain in place. "If sexual orientation were demonstrated to be essentially inborn," he said, "most laws that discriminate against gays and lesbians, including sodomy laws, housing and employment discriminations laws, all would fall." But other activists point out that the new scientific research is equivocal and sometimes sloppily done, and they said such an approach to understanding human sexuality is likely to remain inconclusive for a long time. "This sort of work should not affect civil rights and the protections that are available to gays," said Kevin Cathcart, executive director of the Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund in New York, a gay-rights group. "What concerns me is that if we put too much emphasis on the biological explanation, we end up in courts with dueling scientific experts." Mr. Cathcart also criticized the notion that people are more accepting of homosexuals if they think it all boils down to differences in DNA. "Bigotry does not respond well to facts," he said. "Race and gender are clearly biological determined, and yet that hasn't eliminated racism and misogyny." Groups trying to pass anti-homosexual ordinances said that while they believed homosexuality to be largely a matter of choice -- and a choice they found repellant -- they would not be placated by a biological explanation. "If it's discovered that one person has a set of urges to a greater degree than another in a specific area of behavior, that does not mean the person has to yield to that behavior," said Lon T. Mabon, chairman of the Oregon Citizens Alliance in Wilsonville. "Some people have said there's a genetic link to alcoholism, but that does not excuse the drunk." Mr. Mabon's group is trying to pass ordinances in Oregon that would forbid the state from doing anything that could be construed as expressing approval of homosexuality. Nor would homosexuals in the military necessarily benefit from a persuasive genetic rationale for their behavior. The biological work "is not relevant to the issue," said Scott Williams, press secretary for Senator Sam Nunn, Democrat of Georgia, who opposes allowing homosexuals in the military to state their sexual orientation openly. "Different scientists may say different things, but the question is, does open homosexuality have a negative impact on the cohesion of our fighting forces? Based on our analyses, it would have a detrimental effect." Some prominent homosexuals find the emphasis on the biology of homosexuality to be irritating and beside the point. Why not talk about where heterosexuality comes from? they ask. "As long as there are homophobes, and gays who need an excuse, we're going to be bothered with this sort of absurdity," said Darrell Yates Rist, a co-founder of the Gay and Lesbian Against Defamation. Dr. John DeCecco, a professor of psychology and human sexuality at San Francisco State University and the editor of the journal Homosexuality, condemned the latest study for its constricted view of what homosexuality is and its disregard for how homosexuality has been viewed across cultures and throughout history. Hamer chooses as his subjects, as most of these studies do, people who have adopted the notion of a gay identity, which is a political idea that has risen to ascendancy at the end of the 20th century." he said. "But homosexuality has had some many different meanings over the years." Many leaders of gay groups raised the specter of biological intervention, an effort to correct homosexuality as one might a genetic disease, or to detect a homosexual trait in time for a fetus to be aborted. "As an historian, I know that whenever the cause of homosexuality has been questioned, a cure is looked for," said Lillian Faderman of California State University in Fresno, author of "Odd Girls and Twilight Lovers: A History of Lesbian Life in Twentieth Century America (Columbia University Press, 1992). ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + A. C. Higgins + + SS 361 SUNYA Albany, New York 12222 + + E-mail: ACH13@ALBNYVMS; ACH13@UACSC1.Albany.edu + + Phone: (518) 442 - 4678; FAX: (518) 442 - 4936 + + SCIFRAUD@ALBNYVM1 + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 20:43:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Allan Johnson Subject: Feminist references on women and shame I am forwarding the following request from my partner, Nora Jamieson, a feminist psychotherapist. You may respond through me at the address below. I am looking for any article or book references, from a feminist perspective, either about or referring to shame as a core formative experience for women. Allan Johnson Department of Sociology Hartford College for Women aljohnson@hartford (bitnet) aljohnson@uhavax.hartford.edu (internet) * ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 23:26:54 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Deborah Stearns Subject: Re: background on urgent request In-Reply-To: <9307220042.AA25414@umd5.umd.edu>; from "gary carson" at Jul 21, 93 7:33 pm I am glad to hear more about the origins of the "urgent request"-- thank you, Gary, for forwarding that article. I would like to point out in passing, however, that the article which was forwarded falls victim to the all-too-common male bias in homosexuality research (or, dare I say, research in general?). The study examined the genetic relationships between homosexual *brothers*, and yet, the article goes on to discuss the genetic basis of *homosexuality*, which entirely ignores the existence of lesbians. I am constantly aggravated by the focus of research on gay men which is then applied to lesbians, without any consistent effort to actually study lesbians! (This doesn't even speak to the invisibility of bisexuals in research, mind you...) Thank you for letting me vent--I know this may not be entirely relevant to the list, unless someone is planning to teach about this research, in which case the gender caveat is important. Deborah Stearns stearns@cattell.psych.upenn.edu