WMST-L LOG9406C ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 00:02:33 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jane Hannigan Subject: Re: fairy tales (fwd) I value indeed the scholarship of folklorists but I was looking at this from the perspective of teaching when one might use picture story versions to demonstrate differences and also emphasis placed by the illustrator on particular events in the tale. Some do not follow Propp or any particular pattern but choose the best event(s) to illiustrate. Remember, children encounter these tales at a young age and often the versions in the home are Disney and these children grow up believing that to be the only version. You see I envision a relationship of children's literature, in this instancem, fairy tales, to women's studies. I do not dismiss more scholarly investigation of Stith Thompson's Motif Indices and the work implicit in it. I only am suggesting an alternative. Jane ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 23:54:59 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beatrice Kachuck Subject: Re: Offensive caricatures In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 14 Jun 1994 14:05:46 -0500 from Judy, I think you should be very firm with the man who uses a sexist cartoon in the brochure. Tell him again that it's offensive and why, insist that he remove it. If you can suggest an alternative, fine; if not, it's his job, not yours to find a substitute. If he won't, i suggest you go to his superior or someone high enuf in the bureaucracy to accomplish your purpose. We got rid of some nasty stuff at Brooklyn College that way. His cr can come later. Donna Shalala, now secy of health and welfare made a good point when she was pres. of Hunter college and was asked at a meeting how she created a better atmosphere for women on campus. her reply: she didn't care what they thought, there were certain things they were not permitted to do. good luck. beatrice beabc@cunyvm.cuny.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 21:29:41 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Marilyn Edelstein Subject: Re: autobiography&feminist theory Among the many sources on the topic of uses of autobiography within feminist theory: Nancy K. Miller's 1991 _Getting Personal: Feminist Occasions and Other Autobiographical Acts_ (Routledge); Jane Tompkins by-now-classic "Me and My Shadow" (originally in, I think, the journal New Litera5ry History, but reprinted in numerous places, including _Feminisms_, ed. Warhol and Herndl (Rutgers); one or two issues back, _Lingua Franca_ had an interesting article on the recent "turn" toward writing autobiographically among literary theorists and critics (Tompkins, Frank Lentricchia, and others). I would guess you'll get lots of other responses to your query; I know I've seen a lot of other work on the topic and/or doing theory autobiographically. Less overtly autobiographical than Tompkins' essay is a response to it by Amy Ling, called "'I'm Here: An Asian American Woman Responds" (I may have the title slightly off; it's also in _Feminisms_). There's an essay I can't locate at the moment by Tey Diana Rebolledo called something like "What Am I, A Chicana Feminist, Doing in this Text?" I think there are also one or two anthologies out or coming out soon on critical/theoretical uses of autobiography. Hope this is helpful. Marilyn Edelstein, English, Santa Clara U medelstein@scuacc.scu.edu medelstein@scu.bitnet ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 13:55:07 +0000 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Marie-Claude Dunand REWwmst-l M C Dunand centre de doc T: 78.69.70.18 F: 78.69.70.93 EMail: Marie-Claude.Dunand@univ-lyon2.fr ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 13:56:00 GMT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "[Heather Jacobson]" Subject: Contraceptive Use Hello! I'm relatively new to the list, so perhaps my request has been examined already. If so, I apologize. Currently I'm in the mist of researching for my masters thesis, which examines the experience of contraceptive use. I am interested in looking at how young women define this process for themselves and if they identify it as having an effect on their identity or self-conceptualization. I was wondering if anyone knew of any similiar research done, or literature that deals with this.( I am familiar with the work done on young women and sexuality and am looking specifically for contraceptive use). Likewise if anyone has any experiences that they would like to share with me on contraceptive use, I would be very grateful. Thank you! Heather Jacobson M.Phil Women's Studies Trinity College Dublin hjcobson@vax1.tcd.ie ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 08:01:07 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Barbara J. Peters" Subject: Re: autobiography&feminist theory Date sent: 15-JUN-1994 07:58:50 I am exploring the use of autobiography/personal narrative >*within* feminist theoretical texts or discourse about being a feminist scholar (as opposed to women's autobiography). > >Tracy Proctor >tdprocto@mailbox.syr.edu Try reading workds by Shulamit Reinharz. ON BECOMING A SOCIOLOGIST and FEMINIST RESEARCH METHODS are bery good and she addresses Reflexivity. I hope that's what you are looking for. BARBARA PETERS University of Wisconsin Oshkosh Dept. of Sociology Oshkosh, Wisconsin 54901 (414) 424-0848 Bitnet Address peters@oshkoshw Internet Address peters@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 10:15:37 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Margaret Susan Thompson Subject: e-mail in Rome? I am planning to be in Rome next October with a group of feminist sisters, during the Vatican Synod on Religious Life. We would like to set up an "electronic conference/news service" while we are there. Do any of you know of religious orders, university centers, or other organizations that have houses or offices in Rome and e-mail capability, and that might be willing to let us open a temporary account under their auspices? Alternatively, do you have any suggestions for inexpensive commercial services that I/we might subscribe to for the short period we need (it would, of course, have to be one that had a toll-free access number in Rome)? Many thanks for any help you might be able to provide! Please reply privately, if possible. Peggy Margaret Susan Thompson Dept. of History, 145 Eggers Hall Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY 13244-1090 315-443-5882, 443-2210 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 10:24:25 +0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Michelle Gadpaille Subject: Re: Offensive caricatures >To: Judy Edwards >Subject: Offensive caricatures > >Could anyone recommend a reasonable >alternative to these cartoons just off the top of their heads? >Something...perhaps....positive?? (Gee, there's a novel idea!) Alternative to the offensive caricature: there was an article in Byte Magazine about a year ago, written by Hugh Kenner, about Koko the gorilla and her computer. It seems when Koko gets frustrated with her computer, she runs at it, full speed, and gives it a backhand swipe that sends it flying across the room.The positive aspect of the story is that Apple computer made a special Macintosh for Koko, encased in Lucite, that bounces instead of breaking. Perhaps your co-worker can get his hands on this article, and accompanying picture. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 11:02:31 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Resent-From: Suzanne Hildenbrand Comments: Originally-From: Suzanne Hildenbrand From: Suzanne Hildenbrand Subject: Women & Technology Panel at ALA/Miami ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The Committee on the Status of Women in Librarianship and the Women's Studies Section of ACRL are sponsoring the following outstanding program at the upcoming American Library Association Conference in Miami: WOMEN AND TECHNOLOGY: THE VIRTUAL LIBRARY AND THE DISADVANTAGED MAJORITY Speakers: CHERIS KRAMARAE, Director of Women's Studies and Professor, Universit y of Illinois GLADYS SMILEY-BELL, Co-ordinator of Electronic Information Services, Kent State University Libraries LEIGH ESTABROOK, Dean of the Graduate School of Library and Information Science , University of Illinois Time and Place: Saturday, June 25, from 2 - 4 PM in the Sevilla Room of the Hotel Intercontinental Electronic availability: An electronic conference, LIBWAT-L, will be available after the conference for those who wish to continue discussion of this importan t topic. The e-conference will make available papers from both the Women and Technology panel and from the ACRL's Women's Studies Section panel entitled Making the NET*WORK: Is There a Z39.50 in Gender Communication?" to be held on June 27, from 9:30AM - 12:30 PM. Details on the e-conference sign-on to follow. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 10:59:48 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beatrice Kachuck Subject: Re: Offensive caricatures In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 15 Jun 1994 10:24:25 +0400 from The article on Koko, her destructive behavior with a computer that frustrated her, and Apple's solution to encase a computer with protection against that sounds like the old line of the dangerous power of women and the need to take measures, create barriers to get them to use a product men want to sell them. sorry, i don't see anything positive in the story as described. beatrice beabc@cunyvm.cuny.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 11:23:09 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jane Hannigan Subject: Re: autobiography&feminist theory I just purchased a new title that might prove very helpful: Leigh Gilmore. Autobiographics: A Feminist Theory of Women's Self-Representation . Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press, 1994. I also found Joanne M. Braxton. Black Women Writing Autobiography. Philadelphia, PA: Temple University Press, 19 89. very useful. Jane ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 11:40:47 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Carolyn Kost Subject: feminist fairy tales As a feminist children's librarian and prof. of religious studies, I take special interest in this conversation. Two recent books that I love are Cinder Edna (1994, author? I'm at home, the book is in the office) and the Story of May, (Mordecai Gerstein). The former compares Cinderella's helplessness with the self-reliance of her more pragmatic neighbor, Cinder Edna, who wears loafers to the ball because she knows she'll be dancing a lot, and who saves her money for a dress and takes the bus to the castle, etc. The latter can be interpreted as femayl version of the hero myth. The heroine, May, meets all of the months searching for her father, December, and finally returns to her mother, April. It has certain parallels to Murdock' s The Heroine's Journey (Shambala, 1990). Carolyn Kost Ckost@fair1.fairfield.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 10:58:29 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Consuelo Lopez Springfield Subject: Re: autobiography&feminist theory The most exciting theoretical/interpretive book that I have come across in autobiography is Liz Stanley's THE AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL 'I'. Consuelo Lopez Springfield cspringf@ucs.indiana.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 12:37:59 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Michelle Reynolds Subject: women's/feminist/lesbian symbols could someone suggest a reference book on women's symbols, and/or lesbian ones? thanks in advance, michelle reynolds reynolds@bosshog.arts.uwo.ca ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 11:42:11 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Judy Organization: Illinois State University Subject: Re: Offensive caricatures In-Reply-To: <199406151505.LAA02965@holmes.umd.edu> from "Beatrice Kachuck" at Jun 15, 94 10:59:48 am > The article on Koko, her destructive behavior with a computer that frustrated > her, and Apple's solution to encase a computer with protection against that > sounds like the old line of the dangerous power of women and the need to take > measures, create barriers to get them to use a product men want to sell them. > sorry, i don't see anything positive in the story as described. beatrice > beabc@cunyvm.cuny.edu > I have to agree with you. Part of the offensiveness is the portrayal of a woman as a raving lunatic at the first appearance of frustration. -- Judy Edwards, Microcomputer Specialist 8-3328 VOX Illinois State University MC 3470 Normal IL 61790-3470 ftp://rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu/pub/Internet_Tools/mac ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 12:45:44 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Christine Smith Subject: Dateline NBC on "delayed Motherhood" Did anyone else see the story last night on Dateline NBC on "Delayed Motherhood"? A few highlights: *The questions was posed "Why do women wait so long to have children?" Apparently, there is a right age, and my guess is that it is before 35 or when women want to start or cultivate their careers. *The statement by Jane Pauley, "Motherhood is natural" *A woman who wrote a book on delayed motherhood (can't recall the title) who blamed, guess what? FEMINISM on her inability to have a child at age 34. Meanwhile, she had scar tissue from a PID that her doctor told her she probaby received at the beginning of her relationship, which was at age 22. Apparently, Feminism caused her PID at age 22. *statements by the above author that there was strong pressure in feminism not to have children. She cited Greer, De Beauvior, and Friedan. So I sent an email response to Dateline NBC. They sent back a thank you along with an address if I (or anyone) has an idea for a story. I am posting the address, because I'm sure many of us have wonderful ideas for stories. Christine Smith csmith@vms.cis.pitt.edu Story Suggestions Dateline NBC Room 510 30 Rockefeller Plaza New York, NY 10112 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 12:48:11 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Janet E. McAdams" Subject: Re: Offensive caricatures In-Reply-To: <9406151642.AA08261@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> Is Koko a woman? I thought Koko was a gorilla. On Wed, 15 Jun 1994, Judy wrote: > > The article on Koko, her destructive behavior with a computer that frustrated > > her, and Apple's solution to encase a computer with protection against that > > sounds like the old line of the dangerous power of women and the need to take > > measures, create barriers to get them to use a product men want to sell them. > > sorry, i don't see anything positive in the story as described. beatrice > > beabc@cunyvm.cuny.edu > > > > I have to agree with you. Part of the offensiveness is the portrayal of a > woman as a raving lunatic at the first appearance of frustration. > > -- > Judy Edwards, Microcomputer Specialist 8-3328 VOX > Illinois State University MC 3470 Normal IL 61790-3470 > > ftp://rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu/pub/Internet_Tools/mac ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 12:50:50 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Helen F. Rowe" Subject: Re: Offensive caricatures In-Reply-To: <9406151428.AA13375@moose.uvm.edu> Is it also possible to create caricatures that do not react with violence??? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 13:09:58 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Linda Wayne Subject: Re: women's/feminist/lesbian symbols In-Reply-To: <199406151638.MAA04216@holmes.umd.edu> Michelle, Perhaps one of the largest and best known volumes on women's symbols is Barbara Walker's WOMEN'S ENCYLOPOAEDIA OF MYTHS AND SECRETS. Although the book is rather old now it is quite useful as it is both illustrated and has a fine bibliography of additional sources. Linda Wayne ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 13:46:38 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Iana Pattatucci Subject: To West Coast WMST-L memebers I realize that it is the summer, but I wanted to mention that I will be making a trip to the West Coast in July and, as always when I travel, am willing to make myself available to speak to classes, student groups, faculty groups, etc. In case you do not know me, I am director of the Women's Health and Sexuality Study at the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Md. which focuses on sexual orientation and then looks at things like genetics contributions and risk factors for developing breast and ovarian cancer, possible genetic contributions to an overall sexual orientation, susceptibility to sexually transmitted disease, and the relationship of sexual assault/abuse to compulsive behavior (and sexual orientation). I am probably best know as a co-author of the controversial manuscript, "A Linkage Between DNA Markers on the X Chromosome and Male Sexual Orientation" appearing in the journal SCIENCE. As a reference, I will list Joan K., the moderator of WMST-L, who invited me to speak at her institution this past Fall. My schedule is as follows: Los Angeles: July 6-14 San Francisco: July 15-23 Seattle: July 24-27 Interested parties should write personally at the following address: "Luciana%bchem.dnet@dxi.nih.gov" Angela M. L. Pattatucci, Ph.D. ("iana") National Cancer Institute National Institutes of Health Bethesda, Md. 20892 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 14:16:35 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Yolanda Coppolino Organization: Ryerson Polytechnic University Subject: Representation/tratment of women in Mgt/Org.theory texts I'm doing a content analysis of the treatment of women in the MANAGEMENT TEXTBOOKS used in a typical business management curricula in the university sector. I want to look at Organization; Management and Organizational Behaviour Texts. Would you please let me know the titles/authors/and publishers (if possible) of those studied in your courses. If you offer a gender issues/women in management course, please include the text(s) you use in that course. Many thanks Yolanda Coppolino coppolino@aim1bus.ryerson.ca ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 12:19:39 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Diane Price Herndl Subject: Re: autobiography&feminist theory In-Reply-To: <199406150341.XAA28725@holmes.umd.edu> There are some serious questions about the use of autobiography IN feminist theory, which is how I understood the post. One of the better cautionary texts I've read on this is Linda Kauffman's "The Long Goodbye: Against Personal Testimony, or An Infant Grifter Grows Up," which appears in both Greene & Kahn's _The Making of Feminist Scholarship_ (Routledge 1992) and in Kauffman's own _American Feminist Thought at Century's End_ (Blackwell 1993). Interestingly, Kauffman uses autobiography to show why feminist theory should eschew it. It makes a great companion piece to Tompkins' "Me and My Shadow." Diane Price Herndl NMSU dpherndl@nmsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 14:23:50 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Yolanda Coppolino Organization: Ryerson Polytechnic University Subject: Representation/tratment of women in mgt./org.theory texts I'm doing a content analysis of the treatment of women in the MANAGEMENT TEXTBOOKS used in typical business management curricula in universities. I want to look at Organization; Management; Organizational Behaviour Texts. Would you please give me the titles/authors and publishers(if possible) of those texts on your courses of study. Also, if you offer a Gender Issues/Women in Management course, please include the titles of texts used in that course as well. Many thanks, Yolanda Coppolino coppolino@aim1.bus.ryerson.ca ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 15:21:47 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Converted from OfficeVision to RFC822 by PUMP V2.2X From: "Linda Lopez McAlister " Subject: First Call for Papers: The Berks, 1996 The 10th Berkshire Conference on the History of Women, "Complicating Categories: Women, Gender, and Difference," will be held June 7-9 1996 at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill, N.C., USA. Submit proposals in triplicate, postmarked by February 1, 1995. Send proposals on U.S. and Canadian topics to: Evelyn Brooks Higginbotham, Afro-American Studies Department, Harvard University, 1430 Massachusetts Ave., Cambridge, MA 02138; on other than North American topics to Merry Wiesner-Hanks, Center for Women's Studies, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, P.O. Box 413, Milwaukee, WI 53201; comparative U.S./non-U.S. topics may be sent to either Program Committee Co-Chair. For information contact the people mentioned above and not the sender of this message. LLM ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 15:53:39 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Von Bakanic Organization: College of Charleston Subject: Re: Contraceptive Use The Alan Gutmeyer Institute just published a new study which reverses the findings on teenage contraceptive use. Its in the latest issue of Family Planning Perspectives. They found in their study that teenagers use contraceptives at nearly the same rate as adults and use them as effectively. _____________________________________________________________________ Von Bakanic (803) 953-7105 Dept. of Sociology internet address: College of Charleston bakanicv@cofc.edu Charleston, S.C. 29424 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 16:56:22 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Nothin Lasts Forever, Even Cold November Rain" Organization: from SUNY College at Buffalo, NY 14222 Subject: Re: Dateline NBC on "delayed Motherhood" I also so that Dateline and was rather offended by it but I didn't have a chance to write down their e-mail address. If anyone can send it to me it would be greatly appreciated. Thanx in advance, D leahy05@snybufva ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 19:58:21 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jane Hannigan Subject: Wall Street Journal Article On Monday, June 14th, the Wall Street Journal on the front page presented an article about Peggy McIntosh. It was mostly favorable and did include criticism from parents in Brookline PS who felt her influence in curriculum was high. Diane Ravitch also objects to McIntosh but that is not particularly surprising. The responses from McIntosh were quite on target. Today, the NY Times front page provided an article on the outrage of the Vatican over proposed stance of US and UN for the Population Conference in Cairo. "The cardinals of the Roman Catholic Church voted to oppose what they portrayed as a pervasive feminist influence at the forthcomi ng population conference, saying measures on abortion and women's rights sponsored by the United States reflected 'cultural imperialism.'" Somehow these two articles came together for me as an interesting and potentially exciting teaching discussion on interpretation and perspective. On a lighter side, I just bought Susan B. Anthony Slept Here. by Jurate Kaxickas & Lynn Sherr. New York: Times Books, 1994. It is great fun to check out local states and see the places identified. New Jersey did not offer too much but I did enjoy reading several other state entries. The book does include Washington, DC. Jane ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 20:12:08 -0400 Reply-To: lori tomlinson Sender: Women's Studies List From: lori tomlinson Subject: Datline-NBC piece on infertility I, too, was angered by _Dateline NBC_'s story on infertility. I e-mailed them and told them their story could have come straight out of the pages of Susan Faludi's _Backlash_. I also expressed my thoughts on the obscene amounts of money spent by desperate potential parents on fertility treatments. I find it very sad that more people aren't willing to share their parental love with an adopted child, particularly those deemed "unadoptable" because of their ethnicity, physical or emotional challenges, or age. Lori Tomlinson American Culture Studies Bowling Green State University ltomlin@andy.bgsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 18:39:20 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Xeturah M. Woodley" Subject: Re: literature request Hello everyone, I would like to thank everyone who has sent me suggested readings for my literature review. Your swift responses are GREATLY appreciated. This post is written to address a few of the comments a few of the respondents had about my original post. Hopefully, this will clear up some of the questions you may have. First, I intentionally did not say which discipline we were doing our study in because I was afraid that I would only get suggested readings from that field. In fact, I am looking for readings across disciplines/fields. Secondly, I am looking for information on gender identity, racial identity, and Black women's identity, not just the latter. My literature review is not limited to only the writings of Black authors either, so feel free to send me suggestions on any authors that may come to mind. :*) Once again, thank you all for your help. Should you have any more questions, please feel free to let me know. Xeturah Monique ****************************************************************************** X.M.Woodley * "I am not FREE, while any woman is Univ. of Colo. at Denver * UNFREE, xwoodley@carbon.denver.colorado.edu * Even if her SHACKLES are very * DIFFERENT from my own. * -Audre Lorde- ****************************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 21:57:20 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Laurie Perkins Subject: Re: women's/feminist/lesbian symbols In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 15 Jun 1994 12:37:59 EDT from There is a book called "The Woman's Dictionary of Symbols and Sacred Objects" by Barbara G. Walker, Harper and Row, 1988. It has many, many pictures and gives the origin/history of the symbols. For instance, I learned from this book that the traditional symbol for female is the symbol of Venus and the traditional symbol for male is the symbol of Mars (wouldn't you know it?). I looked this up when it was pointed out to me that the male symbol is also the symbol for Volvo. Hope this book will be helpful. Laurie Perkins Washington University C34879LP@WUVMD ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 00:11:48 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: lori tomlinson Subject: infertility and adoption I have tried several times to respond to an inquiry posted today (6/15) regarding the comment I made about the _Dateline NBC_ piece on infertility. Unfortunately, I must have written the inquirer's e-mail incorrectly, so I am posting my response on the list. The question was, "how many children have you adopted?" As a graduate student barely able to support myself, I have adopted no children (unless you count a stray cat and two orphaned gerbils). I have, however, looked into the possibility of adopting an "unadoptable" child in the future, as I will likely be unable to have biological children. I have had several close friends throughout my life who have, themselves, been adopted, and they have shared their experiences with me, both good and bad. Recently, someone very close to me gave her baby to a couple unable to have children biologically. I hope the remark I made in my posting about adoption didn't seem flippant, as I have given a great deal of thought and reflection to this matter. Call me naive, utopian, etc., but it seems a great shame that so many children wait years (and often, all their lives) for someone to adopt them, while potential parents invest a great deal of time, money, and emotions into fertility treatments that don't always (usually?) work. A lot of love is going to waste. If anyone has any experiences with adoption (as an adoptive parent or adopted child), please share them with me privately. The decision to adopt will perhaps be the most important decision I will ever make. I can use all the help and advice I can get. Thanks. Lori Tomlinson ltomlin@andy.bgsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 08:56:27 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Elaine Orr Subject: autobiography and feminist theory On autobiography and feminist theory: there are two recent collections that come to mind. _The Intimate Critique_ and _Changing the Subject_. Bell Hooks uses autobiography in _Yearning_. Elaine Orr ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 09:39:41 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Paula Gaber Subject: inforM update The following directory has been added to the inforM Women's Studies Database: Educational Resources/Women's Studies/Government and Politics/ Congressional Caucus Updates/Update (Volume 14, Number 3) The latest issue of the newsletter of the Congressional Caucus on Women and Family Issues is now available. To access the inforM database, telnet or gopher to INFORM.UMD.EDU. (If you do not know how to telnet or gopher, contact a local computer wizard, or try typing "telnet inform.umd.edu" or "gopher inform.umd.edu" at the main prompt of your computer account). Hit return to set the default terminal type or type "?" for a list of choices. Use either your arrow keys or number keys to select -> 4. Educational Resources 17. Women's Studies The Gopher interface has a feature that allows users to send files to their e-mail accounts. After selecting a file, either scroll to the end of the file or type "q", then press "m". The system will then prompt you for your email address. The inforM system is also accessible by anonymous ftp. FTP to INFORM.UMD.EDU. Login as "anonymous", and use your mail address as a password. Choose the "inforM" directory by typing "cd inforM". The command "cd [directory name]" will change the directory. The commands "dir" or "ls" will display a list of files in that directory. Use the command "get [filename]" to download a file into your account. The directory pathname for the Women's Studies Database is "inforM/Educational_Resources/WomensStudies". Your local Gopher System may be set up to automatically link to the Women's Studies Database. Check the "Other Systems" or "Other Gophers" directory or ask your system administrator for help. Even if you do not have real Internet access, it is still possible to get files from inforM. If you are interested in this option, please email me and I will forward a file written by Mark Whitis that explains how to do this. Please remember that the system is case sensitive. Anything that appears in quotes must be typed exactly as it is here. If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to contact me. +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Paula Gaber inforM, Room 4343 Coordinator, Women's Studies Database Computer Science Center gaber@inform.umd.edu University of Maryland (301) 405-2939 College Park, Maryland 20742 =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 14:13:26 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Zoya Fansler Subject: forwarded message on networking Hello -- I've enclosed a message to WMST-L in response to something Judy Evans wrote about my work. I sent it (actually an earlier version of it) to WMST-L directly but it got bounced because I am not a member of the list. If you consider it appropriate for the list, I would appreciate it if you could pass it along. Thanks very much. Phil Agre, UCSD Encl: From: Phil Agre To: WMST-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU Subject: networking I hope that the readers of WMST-L will not be dissuaded by Judy Evans' note from reading "Networking on the Network". Contrary to her rather uncharitable comments, the advice in NotN has little to do with impressing the famous. Indeed, one of its main points is the importance of approaching one's peers and not getting preoccupied with the esteem of those more powerful than you. I'm also unsure why JE thought that NotN was not about the Internet. NotN does emphasize that the net is not an end in itself, but it includes extensive advice about using the net as part of a larger community-building project. I find that JE's reaction to NotN is common in England. I can't be certain why this is, but having lived there for three years I have a guess, which is that it relates to class-inflected ideas about work. Many working people in England (and in a much less explicit way in the United States) have an idea-system according to which We "do real work" and They "just know people". This dichotomy associates "knowing people" not with community-building and the deeply social nature of work but with such themes as "currying favor", "kissing up to the powerful", "playing the career game", and so on. While it is surely important to affirm the dignity of labor and honor the various forms of class consciousness, I also think that these associations are unfortunate in that they help to reproduce social stratification by discrediting the very tools of organizing that will be required to do something about it. Phil Agre, UCSD ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 11:14:04 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Madelyn Detloff <6500mad@UCSBUXA.UCSB.EDU> Subject: call for reviewers (fwd) --1915892603-858696066-771790464:#21942 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII --1915892603-858696066-771790464:#21942 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-ID: Content-Description: Forwarded message 'call for reviewers' Received: from ferkel.ucsb.edu by ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (4.1/SMI-3.2) id AA19429; Thu, 16 Jun 94 10:01:14 PDT Received: by ferkel.ucsb.edu with SMTP id AA12370 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for queer-studies-list@ferkel.ucsb.edu); Thu, 16 Jun 1994 09: Received: from watarts.uwaterloo.ca by ferkel.ucsb.edu with SMTP id AA12363 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Jun 1994 09:48: Received: by watarts.uwaterloo.ca id ; Thu, 16 Jun 94 12:55:17 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 12:37:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Karges Subject: call for reviewers To: Queer Studies Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Errors-To: queer-studies-owner@ferkel.ucsb.edu Precedence: bulk X-Resent-By: queer-studies-owner@ferkel.ucsb.edu X-Admin-Addr: queer-studies-request@ferkel.ucsb.edu X-List-Software: mlist v2.3 by Jim Lick Queer-E, the interdisciplinary electronic journal of gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, and queer studies is seeking article reviewers in the following disciplines: FEMINISM/WOMEN'S STUDIES TRANSGENDER STUDIES/ACTIVISM FILM/MEDIA/COMMUNICATIONS CYBERCULTURE RELIGIOUS STUDIES (all areas, but especially non-Christian specialization) COMPARATIVE LITERATURE (all areas) LAW (especially Canadian and American) PHILOSOPHY (all areas, but especially contemporary American and Continental) Reviewers for Queer-E will be asked to review no more than three articles in any one calendar year. Reviewers are asked to agree to a "double-blind" review process (i.e. reviewers will not know the identity of the article's author, and the author will not know the identity of his/her reviewers). Queer-E will provide a "review-form" upon which reviewers can make their comments to the author, and their recommendation to the editorial collective of Queer-E. If you would like to volunteer your time to Queer-E in this manner, please send the following information to : 1) a short biography detailing your academic and/or activist expertise 2) a short list of your publications and other work in the field of Queer Studies 3) an idea of what sort of articles you would be most interested in reviewing, or most able to review for Queer-E. Thanks for your consideration of this request Todd Karges Department of English, University of Waterloo Member, Queer-E Editorial Collective ----- + The preceding message is from the queer-studies mailing list + To submit an article, send it to queer-studies@ferkel.ucsb.edu + To sub, unsub, etc., send mail to queer-studies-request@ferkel.ucsb.edu + Do not send mail to queer-studies-owner@ferkel.ucsb.edu; it is + used only to collect bounce messages. --1915892603-858696066-771790464:#21942-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 14:39:26 CST Reply-To: relke@herald.usask.ca Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Diana M.A. Relke" Subject: interdisciplinary women artists I am about to sign off the WMST list for six weeks, but before I do I want to thank everyone who responded to my request for names of literary women who have also created in the visual and performing arts. I got many good suggestions for inclusions in the course I'm designing. A couple of you have askt that I forward to you the names I receive. I'll be happy to do that when I get back off my research leave. In the meantime, if there's anyone who intended to respond to my request but hasn't got round to it yet, please respond privately. I'm having my email messages forwarded to me while I'm away. Once again, thanks everyone, and have a good summer. Diana M.A. Relke Women's and Gender Studies University of Saskatchewan Saskatoon SK Canada S7N OWO relke@herald.usask.ca ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 13:28:28 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Maura Condon Umble Subject: Re: Query: Colleges going coed >A student of mine is doing a special project on the history of women and >their experiences here at Franklin and Marshall College-- originally an >all-male "academy" (and with no female faculty), F&M went coed about 25 >years ago. As part of her study she would like to put the particular case >of F&M in the general context of male colleges "going co-ed" during the >late sixties and early 1970's. Can anyone recommend books/articles that >have examined this phenomenon historically?? Please reply privately. > >Many thanks. > >Linda Aleci [e-mail address: L_Aleci@acad.fandm.edu] > Hi Linda- > > I had heard that the project for Janice was approved. I'm thrilled!! Congrats!! I haven't seen Janice in sooooo long! Give her my best. We have set up a meeting for interested parties this summer to discuss Women's Center stuff on Thursday, June 23 at 7:00 in the Center. (Uh Oh - just realized the College Center is closed in the evenings. Well, keep the date and time free if you can, and I'll let you know more about the place . . . ) Thanks!! Maura Maura Condon Umble Coordinator, The Women's Center Franklin & Marshall College P.O. Box 3003 Internet: M_Umble@ACAD.FANDM.EDU Lancaster, PA 17604-3003 Voice: (717)291-3956 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 18:23:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: LARRY GREENBERG Subject: Black Women During the Revolutionary War Era... Greetings... Could someone direct me to source materials (documents, articles, books etc.) on the topic of black women in the revolutionary war era? Any help, info is greatly appreciated. Thanks...Larry ---------------------- Larry Greenberg LGREENBE@SESCVA.ESC.EDU (internet) Coordinator of Information Resources LGREENBE@SNYESCVA (bitnet) SUNY Empire State College 2 Union Ave. Saratoga Springs, NY 12866 (518) 587-2100 ext. 350 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 23:38:56 +0000 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Judy Evans Subject: Re: forwarded message on networking In-Reply-To: <"leeman.yor.635:16.05.94.22.25.34"@york.ac.uk> I'm going to reply personally to Phil Agre, and let him decide if the reply is of any use to the list. My thanks to Zoya for forwarding. Right now, to the list - I had no idea the general reaction here was like mine, as there was no response to the piece on the list that sent it me, and insofar as I know I'm the only person who's seen it _______________________________________________________ Judy Evans jae2@unix.york.ac.uk Politics phone 0904 433552 York YO1 1HG, England fax 0904 433563 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 15:03:44 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Marilyn P. Safir" Subject: Re: infertility and adoption In-Reply-To: <9406160424.AA13718@mx2.u.washington.edu> Loris point about the success of these treatments is very well taken. The success rates are generally inflated, as success is counted when the woman becomes pregnant and not the number of treatments she has undergone until pregnancy has been achieved. I have heard of instances where the treatment w as counted as a success if the pregnancy continued over 3 mos. The miscarriage following was attributed to other causes. These treatments are, in my mind, still in the experimental stage when actual success is between 2 to 8%. Yet the couple bears the brunt of the cost. It is my impression that for other experimental procedures, patients are solicited and treated for free. Another point that I identify with is the feeling that one is less of/or not a complete person if one cannpot bear children. This feeling occurs in both Women and men. Society seems to blame the woman. If I can draw a parrale ( as a therapist) men have reactions of morning and loss more frequently to impotency,however. There is a agroup of feminist researchers around the world doing very interesting work on reproductive technologies I dont have the reference handy but perhaps someone else can supply it. Marilyn (safirm@u.washington.edu) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 14:21:27 +0000 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Judy Evans Subject: NotNet Has anyone got NotNet? If so, could you forward me a copy? (I had - disk space - to delete also the info about where to get it.) I am trying to work out whether my comments were unfair, to get back to its author (yes I do know your name; sorry; sinus headache, an English ill) re it and them. Bit I can't do it without seeing the text. The meanwhile: to the list: for reasons I can't give here I feel particularly strongly on the issues I raised right now. (Events here.) That may have influenced the way I read NotNet. Can't tell until I see it again... . (Sorry to take up bandwidth but I have caused some offence and want to get things right.) _______________________________________________________ Judy Evans jae2@unix.york.ac.uk Politics phone 0904 433552 York YO1 1HG, England fax 0904 433563 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 15:53:00 GMT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Michelle Brewer Subject: Re: infertility and adoption I just read Marilyn's message and wanted to add to it from a book I just read called _No Longer Patient: Feminist Ethics & Health Care_ by Susan Sherwin (Temple University Press, 1992) Did you know ? *The procedure for in vitro fertilization involves the woman receiving an artifical hormone to release a quantity of eggs and then has them removed via a surgical procedure called a laparscopy. *a further administration of hormones to facilitate the implantation of newly fertilized eggs in her uterus (the hormones resulting often in dramatic emotional and physical changes) *during this process she will be monitored several times a day - not only testing blood and urine, but also (uncomfortable) ultrasound to determine ovulation *in some programmes, women must remain immobile for 48 hours after the intro- duction of fertilized eggs (24 hours in a head down position) *most women undergo MULTIPLE tries, and can be dropped from programmes at any time - success is gauged at 10-15% *the process brings in numerous ethical problems - for example: the donation and sale of eggs and womb space, as well as questions as to the moral status of the extra fertilized eggs (usually many extras so has not to repeat the harvesting procedure and because a few are introduced into the woman's uterus each time. If all implant, 'selective' abortion may be required. *risks for fetuses: higher incidence of birth complications and defects with IVF pregnancies - fewer than 5% of cases result in unproblematic live birth *risks for the woman: possible carcinogenic nature of hormone used for ovulatn and high rate of surgical birth (approx 50%) *as far as the promotion of women's autonomy is concerned, IVF is controlled by the medical specialists not the women seeking treatment - MOREOVER "Because most clinics deny service to single women, IVF may accurately be described as a technology that is available to men who are judged worthy, even though it is carried out on the bodies of their wives" p.127 *Many new reproductive technologies are offered to women as if they are therapies when they are still highly experimental and often haven't gone through the proper testing protocols. Some are transferred from agriculture experience in animal husbandry to women bypassing clinical trials on primates: "When [the author] raised this point in a panel discussion on the ethics of reproductive technologies at the University of Alberta, the gynecologist on the panel patiently explained the reason for this omission: PRIMATES ARE EXPENSIVE RESEARCH ANIMALS (my emphasis)." p.255 *Prevention of some cases of infertility is possible. Sexually transmitted diseases are the main cause of infertility in women. Three million cases of chlamydia are reported each year although 80% of women afflicted are asymptom atic: "It is estimated that by the year 2000, 15-20 percent of women in the reproductive range will be infertile because of sexually transmitted disease." p.263 quoted by Sherwin from Corea, 1985, The Hidden Malpractice: How American Medicine Mistreats Women. This material has really shocked me and sparked my thinking. I hope it will for others too. Michelle Brewer Women's Studies Trinity College Dublin ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 12:04:40 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Betty J Glass Subject: Re: Pregnant Teens, infertility and adoption In-Reply-To: <199406171503.LAA27052@holmes.umd.edu> On June 2, 1994, ABC aired an hour-long program entitled, " Jacqui's Delimma." The advertising blurb read: "Melissa Thompson portrays a 16-year-old girl who faces a life-altering decision when she discovers that she is pregnant. Throughout the story, a diverse group, including parents, teens, clergy, teen parents, social workers and U.S. Surgeon General Dr. Joycelyn Elders, offers viewpoints on the issues surrounding teen sexuality." The program was on from 8-9 p.m., PST. If available, this would be a useful film for classroom use. Surgeon General Elders made very good points along the way concerning the absence of financial support for children of poor teenagers after birth. Teen boys interviewed mostly opposed abortion and adoption, whether they believed in supporting their unplanned children or not. Someone made the point that even when a teenage girl witnesses another girl's social and economic situation devastated by becoming a teen mother, no girl ever seems to make the connection that the same fate will befall her. They always think their situation will magically be better. Reality: After the birth, the baby is primarily the girl's responsibility. Even supportive family and friends have their own concerns to follow. The local newspaper labeled this program with "Parental Discretion.) It probably should be shown in all schools from 7th grade on up. FYI, Betty Glass glass@UNR.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 20:18:50 GMT Reply-To: Ellen@tictac.demon.co.uk Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ellen Mizzell Subject: Frieda Harris: Info sought Hello: I'm looking for any information about books or paintings by Lady Frieda Harris (1877-1962), also known as Jesus Chutney or Jay Chutney. She lived in London (Chiswick/Richmond), painted Tarot cards and studied the occult, but also wrote a number of novels. She was married to a Liberal MP, Sir Percy Harris. Any help will be much appreciated. Regards, ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 13:25:53 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Ariel Subject: part-time lecturer position, UCI Women's Studies Due to a recent resignation, Women's Studies at University of California Irvine is faced with an immediate need for part-time lecturer(s) beginning fall quarter 1994 (mid-September). Please share the announcement below with anyone you think might be qualified and interested in this position. Many thanks. Joan Ariel Academic Coordinator PART-TIME LECTURER POSITION(S) WOMEN'S STUDIES PROGRAM UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA IRVINE (Pending Administrative Approval and Funding) The Interdisciplinary Program in Women's Studies at the University of California Irvine is seeking applicants for part-time lecturer position(s) for the 1994-95 academic year. Ideally, a half-time appointment would teach the four courses noted below, but, lacking a single qualified candidate, appointments may be made on a course by course basis. WS 50A Introduction to Women's Studies: Feminist Perspectives on Culture and Society WS 150 Feminist Cultural Studies (topics vary) WS 161 Lesbian and Gay Studies (topics vary) WS 162 Racism and Sexism Requirements: Ph.D. and teaching experience are preferred; record of feminist scholarly work; evidence of knowledge of multicultural feminist scholarship. Applicants should have knowledge about issues concerning race, ethnicity, class, and sexualities as they intersect with feminist studies. Applicants should forward a current curriculum vitae, three names and contact information for references, a letter which indicates courses they are interested in teaching, at least one sample syllabus, and, whenever possible, teaching evaluations. Women's Studies at UC Irvine was founded in 1975. The Program currently offers a B.A. degree in Women's Studies and an undergraduate minor. In addition, a Graduate Emphasis in Feminist Studies will be offered beginning 1994-95. The Women's Studies curriculum takes a multicultural approach that integrates diverse perspectives throughout. All part-time faculty appointments are temporary and do not confer academic rank. Please address applications and inquiries to: Leslie W. Rabine, Director Women's Studies Program 403 Social Science Hall University of California Irvine, CA 92717 714/856-4234 Review of applications will begin on July 18, 1994 and continue until position (s) is/are filled. To assure consideration, applications must be received by July 15, 1994. Candidates will be notified by July 31, 1994. UCI IS AN AFFIRMATIVE ACTION/EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER. ------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Jun 1994 12:45:21 +1200 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lynne Alice A copy of a review of the latest New Zealand film ONCE WERE WARRIORS by Lynne Star is available from FMST@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (Feminist Studies in Aotearoa/New Zealand). Lynne Alice "listowner" L.C.Alice@massey.ac.nz ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Jun 1994 09:44:06 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Converted from OfficeVision to RFC822 by PUMP V2.2X From: "Linda Lopez McAlister " Subject: FILM REVIEW ADDED: Widow's Peak On Saturday, June 18, 1994 I reviewed "Widow's Peak" on "The Women's Show" a feminist radio magazine on WMNF-FM (88.5) in Tampa, Florida. To obtain a copy of the review send the following command to Listserv @UMDD (Bitnet) or UMDD.UMD.EDU (Internet): GET FILM REV113 FILM To obtain a list of all the film reviews available, send a message to the same listserv address that says: INDEX FILM To get more than one review, put each command on a separate line: GET FILM REV6 FILM GET FILM REV14 FILM GET FILM REV39 FILM The opinions expressed in these reviews were mine when I wrote the review and represent one woman's opinion at a particular time.We have over 2800 subscribers to WMST-L so there are probably 2799 other views. If you would like to share yours, please do NOT do so on the WMST-L itself, but send your messages to me personally at the addresses below. I have appreciated the feedback I've received. Thanks. Linda ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 12:44:52 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Jane Elza Subject: Is this a joke? (fwd) appropo the thread on wider publication of the list ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 05:19:38 EDT From: Oppy ____Oppy Ed To: Multiple recipients of list FEMJUR Subject: Is this a joke? FYI...Truth or urban legend...any guesses anyone ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- =======================================================SAT JUN 18, 1994 10.28.44 Received: by SJUMUSIC (MUSIC Mailer V2.4.2); Sat, 18 Jun 94 07:17:25 EDT Received: from SJUVM (NJE origin SMTP@SJUVM) by SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9772; Sat, 18 Jun 1994 07:17:22 -0400 Received: from uu6.psi.com by SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Sat, 18 Jun 94 07:17:08 EDT Received: by uu6.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA21979 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 94 07:06:01 -0400 I spotted on this in mailbox this morning I just thought it was a very weird, if not just plain a joke... Don't want to spoil it, so read on. Ken -----------Original Message-------------- Regarding the recent thread on flames and the demise of the internet, a coworker forwarded this announcement to me from a Usenet newsgroup. I apologize that I do not have the name of the newsgroup, as he forgot what it was when I questioned him. Has anyone else seen this or know of its validity? Thanks for any info. George stark@cagney.rtsg.mot.com ------------------------------------------------------------ The Invasion FAQ of NEWSGROUP.INVADERZ Although not exactly a FAQ, this file is more of an explanation of why Newsgroup.Invaderz was formed. It also lays down the foundation for the structure, strategy and protocol of usenet invasions. * Invasion * Each of us brings our own reasons, backgrounds and motivations into this scheme. What is important is that each individual brings into this their own brand of inspired mischief. In someways it is completely innocent. In someways it is completely destructive. Anyone can walk into alt.sex and post that pornography should be banned. Anyone can walk into rec.sport.baseball and say "baseball sucks". It takes unbelievable skill and discipline to cause a PROLONGED flame war. That is what we do. But it can only be done with talent, and numbers to match that talent. We only bring into the fold people who have the knack to use smarts to incite chaos, not stupidity to incite being ignored when people see a post and know what you're up to. To keep things running smoothly, Savageman (naql@metronet.com) is our 'moderator'. Sharon (harmon_se@wl.corning.com) was responsible for creating the mailing-list and setting up the initial newsgroup. Everyone is equal in suggesting and voting on invasion sites and other basic day-to-day workings of the group. Everyone here gains or loses merit only in the invasion arena. * Waves of Invasion * Flames and wars between groups are as old as Usenet. What we do is in many ways fundamentally different from what is or has been done in this area. After picking a site, we call for an invasion on that site. There are a number of phases to an invasion. Each person can volunteer for which wave they want to be in, but more times than not, it is a first come-first served policy. It is always important that no one jump the gun and go in before we have time to prepare and bounce ideas off eachother. It's also important that people don't switch waves without letting everyone know. Flexibility is the key, as is communication. Typically, we use between two and five Waves of attack. Waves will generally break down into this kind of structure: a: Reconnaissance (RECON): These people will go in early and usually set up camp as "friends of the newsgroup". They will become trusted and participate by joining previous discussions or starting non-controversial ones themselves. They will also act as "double-agents" to counter-flame the other waves as the invasion progresses. They key is building a bit of credibility. b: Wave One: Wave one will usually be what starts the flame war. Those involved in this wave can go on and each have a different flame, or go on and flame in unison. They can bring in a subject of their own or flame a previous discussion. What matters is that this initial wave will be the one that the invaded newsgroup will have their attention on. This wave calls for extreme subtlety. The quality of the flame MUST be at its highest point here. c: Wave Two: Wave Two will consist of tactics to attack the people who were sent in as recon and attempt to start totally new flame threads. The key here is that even if we attack a group of people restrained enough to resist our flame-bait, wave two will stir things up and get others to join in. d: Wave Three: Wave three will generally change depending on the campaign, but will generally be added to push the confusion and chaos over the top. Flame the recon, flame the first wave, flame the second wave. These guys are our balls out, rude SOB's. Mop up and clean out. Sometimes (usually with bigger groups) Wave three will simply be along the lines of a wave two. e: Wave Four: Wave four is primarily a personal attack on those who resist our invading force. A list of opponents is maintained throughout the newsgroup invasion and the places of employment, home towns, etc are determined if at all possible. Usually this is not problem, as this information is often in the headers of their posts. We then embark on a campaign of phoning their company management, writing their university presidents, or even phoning their local police, in an attempt to get them in personal trouble or disrupt their careers. Sharon Harmon is responsible for this phase of the attack. Note that it takes a lot of "balls" to pull this wave off successfully, and most members will not be expected to be involved in this wave. Miscellaneous Tactics: There are three other things that we typically use, depending on the sophistication of the invasion. LOOSE CANNONS are people who come in and act so strange and obtuse that it makes the rest of the flames look genuine. THE ANON SERVICE can be used to send posts anonymously. This is a good way to post and pretend to be scared of retribution. Only problem is that this is usually the first sign that a post is a flame, so it should only be used with a TREMENDOUS amount of DISCRETION. CROSS POSTING is also a popular method of choice by other flame groups, so it is important to Cross Post with discretion. If we can cross post to bring in other newsgroups to unwittingly assist us, perfect. If we cross post to suspicious newsgroups, our intentions will be obvious. SNAIL-MAIL LETTER WRITING to an individual's managers or home town police force will usually result in the opponent being interrogated by the police, being fired at work, or, at the very least, losing their network access. This personal attack is usually reserved to those who we consider to be outspoken opponents. Sharon generally has the final say in who we snail-mail attack. * Victory * Ideally, signs of victory are the following: o Our names appear in killfiles o Majority or ALL threads in invaded newsgroup were started by us o Regulars/legit people abandon invaded newsgroup o Receiver much hate mail - as does our SysAdmin o Opponents lose net access or are reprimanded by police/management o Recruit the untrained to become talented flame 'artists' * Notes * Most important is the need to be SUBTLE when it is required. One misplaced post can ruin it for the rest of us. Those of you who have participated in widespread flame wars know the feeling of having a newsgroup going for a long time, then someone posts an obvious flame or something so far out of context, that everyone says to just ignore the flames, which eventually includes all of us. Blowing a flame war will occasionally happen, but if it could have been avoided with a little thinking, then it's not as excusable. We've got to share duties. Everyone should get practice playing different roles and different waves. It has been assumed that if you don't want to participate, fine. No one will hold it against you. What is expected is that if you don't want to participate you don't have to, but that also means that you wont go warning that newsgroup when an invasion happens. You will close your eyes and turn a blind eye. NO NEWSGROUP IS OFF LIMITS!!!!!! Another thing many people seem to be talking about are SIGS AND NAMES. Try to take on appropriate names. If you are on alt.rap, D.J. Trouble is not going to stir things up...if you show up on soc.culture.physics with that name, you're caught before your first word of text. If a Sig is going to blow your cover, lose it. * Founding Members * naql@metronet.com (Savageman) harmon_se@wl.corning.com (Sharon Harmon) wdstarr@world.std.com (William December Starr) jack@cee.hw.ac.uk (Jack Campin aka Netbuster) * Members * howard@crash.cts.com (Howard Knight) metzler@pablo.physics.lsa.umich.edu (Chris Metzler) kolling@adobe.com (Karen Kolling) hattie@netcom.com (Susan Hattie Steinsapir aka Princess) mlacroix@tuzo.erin (Mary Lacroix) jim@netcom.com (James Knowlton aka Know.It.All) masc1745@ucssun1.sdsu.edu (Avoid normal situations) espenr@nvg.unit.no (Espen Rosenquist) winerb@world.std.com (Bette M Winer) henrys@netcom.com (Henry B. Smith) D.Williams@herts.ac.uk (Dave Williams) leos@kaiwan.com (Leo Soderman) andreas@netcom.com (Andreas Ramos) afdenis@lmsmgr.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison) kate@vax2.concordia.ca (Kate McDonnell) * New Members - Welcome Aboard! * clifto@tuttoo.chi.il.us (Clifton T. Sharp) joepalen@delphi.com (Joe Palen) reed@saifr00.cfsat.honeywell.com (Carol Reed) cindi@mik.uky.edu (Cindi Ann Meisenhelder) jblaser@ncrel.org (Blitzoe) andreas@netcom.com (Andreas Ramos) scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator) sendbu@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca (Matthew Sendbuehler) reyes@buphyk.bu.edu (Jinara Reyes) * Official Kudos * We officially acknowledge the following members' brilliance with the NetBuster Awards - 1. William Starr, for his "You're all losers!" thread on alt.support. shyness. 2. Sharon Harmon, for heading personal attacks on Internet users. 3. Netbuster (Jack Campin), for his complaint campaign directed at posters on alt.tasteless.jokes. 4. James Knowlton for the havoc caused in the invasion of alt.support. divorce. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 14:05:58 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Nothin Lasts Forever, Even Cold November Rain" Organization: from SUNY College at Buffalo, NY 14222 Subject: Re: infertility and adoption I saw a talkshow where they were discussing egg (ova) donation. I have not been able to find any clinics that do this or have any knowledge where I can find information on this procedure. If anyone out there can help me I would greatly appreciate it. Thanx in advance. D leahy05@snybufva P.S. This is unrelated but has anyone else noticed that almost all the monsters on Sesame Street are male... ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 15:10:13 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: PopTart Subject: Re: Is this a joke? (fwd) In-Reply-To: <9406191646.AA14450@andy.bgsu.edu> Yes. It _IS_ a joke. The way I understand it from something I saw posted on some Usenet group, this "charter" is a satire of the ongoing, annoying behaviour of the individuals named in the document. Read it that way & it _IS_ pretty funny =) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= PopTart is ckile@andy.bgsu.edu "It's perfectly obvious what Scooby snacks were: hash brownies." -- Emily Way on alt.society.generation-x ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 16:52:54 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Robin Yaffe HPERD Subject: research participants needed Hello All! I am starting a pilot study for my doctoral dissertation on the construction of leisure by women who have experienced sexual trauma and Iam looking for participants. All data will be collected using Email, and although I cannot assure anonymity, confidentiality is assured. If anyone knows someone who might be interested have them contact me at: RMYAFFE@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU I will be happy to answer questions and provide more details as needed. Thanks! Robin Yaffe Dept. of Recreation & Leisure Studies Hardman Hall The University of Georgia Athens, GA 30602 (706)542-5064 (706)208-9763 (home) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 16:38:29 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Chris Jazwinski Subject: Re: infertility and adoption As usual things are more complex than one thinks that they may be. Yes, I would have to agree that some of the procedures for infertility may be excessive, and sometimes they may be a way for the medical establishment to create new markets for their services. On the other hand some of the procedures can be very effective. I had an infertility problem which was corrected by unblocking my tubes using laparoscopy (and lasers). My doctor was very competent and even gave me a videotape of the surgery with the verbal commentary of the two doctors as the surgery is being conducted (view is of the inside of my body). By the way I've threatened to show the video should I ever have a really boring party. After the surgery, which was outpatient by the way, conception was a breeze. I now have two beautiful children. I am grateful to the medical doctors who made this possible. I was ready to adopt, but found that here in Minnesota it's not very easy. I didn't feel that adopting children with special needs was a good option for me. Although I love my children, I am not a woman to whom being a mother comes naturally or easily. That's why I probably delayed things for as long as I did. I think it's important to know your limits, and take on what you feel that you can handle. There are many failure stories of people adopting children with special needs and finding that they can't handle it. After all, even a healthy baby with no special needs is a tremendous load. Let's face it caring for children is a hard job. I firmly beleive that humans were not meant to have children and raise them in nuclear family units. I think we'd be much more successful with communal arrangements or extended families. I had my two children at the age of over 40. I was thrilled that I could do it, and also enjoyed the process of pregnancy and childbirth, because of how interesting they were, and the great accomplishment (despite all of the discomfort, etc). Especially, after my first baby was born I felt a tremendous sense of power: I created life! So, adoption isn't always the answer for everyone. Chris Jazwinski Professor of Psychology St. Cloud State University St. Cloud, MN 56301 612-255-3271 JAZ@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 09:51:45 +1000 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Susan Feldman Subject: Re: research participants needed Dear there is a circus in Melbourne Australia that is comprised of women who have suffered sexual trauma, rape,incest etc - it was set up for these women - trained them,gave them back a life and has been very successful, both in gaining publicity and for its original aim - very innovative and may well be worth a look at as a model. Regards Susan Feldman Key Centre for Women's Health Australia ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 17:21:34 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: q Subject: Re: Is this a joke? (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199406191912.PAA12535@holmes.umd.edu> On Sun, 19 Jun 1994, PopTart wrote: > Yes. It _IS_ a joke. The way I understand it from something I saw posted Isn't it obvious? Jim Maroon sjvlslew@class.org Views expressed are my own unless I stole them from someone else. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 20:43:01 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Beth Ferri Subject: Re: infertility and adoption In-Reply-To: <9406191806.AA23644@moe.coe.uga.edu> On Sun, 19 Jun 1994, Nothin Lasts Forever, Even Cold November Rain wrote: > > P.S. This is unrelated but has anyone else noticed that almost all the > monsters on Sesame Street are male... > yes - this supposedly has been brought to the attention to Sesame St. and they were to do a mass media marketing campaign for a new muppet this year that is female. her name is "zowie" i think and she has a stereotypically high voice - loves jewlery - and wears barretts in her hair - and is around 8 years old. i don't watch regularly anymore but ask a reliable 4 year old if she's seen her yet - last time i checked she hadn't. and as far as the marketing - all i see is barney - and if you think barney is anoying - check out the female dino - baby bop! who can only talk "baby talk" pitiful. i think S.S. has done a good job w/ diversity issues in some ways - but when it comes to the real stars of the show - well lets see there's bert, ernie (who crushed under homophobic pressure), big bird, oscar, the count, (well you get the idea - all boys club)... glad you noticed. maybe someone living with a four year old has more info on zowie. beth ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 20:09:01 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: q Subject: Re: infertility and adoption In-Reply-To: <199406200043.UAA15581@holmes.umd.edu> On Sun, 19 Jun 1994, Beth Ferri wrote: > i think S.S. has done a good job w/ diversity issues in some ways - but > when it comes to the real stars of the show - well lets see there's > bert, ernie (who crushed under homophobic pressure), big bird, oscar, the > count, (well you get the idea - all boys club)... Could it have something to do with the fact that the vast majority of professional puppeteers happen to be male? Jim Maroon sjvlslew@class.org Views expressed are my own unless I stole them from someone else. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 08:37:11 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Suzanne Diamond Subject: Re: Is this a joke? (fwd) I'm glad to hear that "netbusters" was a joke; I was starting to think that there must be an awful lot of folks out there who needed to "get lives." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 09:38:53 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Barbara Lantz Subject: sexual trauma/recreation re: Robin Yaffe's post about research on recreation patterns by women who suffer sexual trauma. I am concerned about your claim to confidentiality for participants who send you data through e-mail. Even if you do not divulge data or identities of participants, e-mail is not a confidential medium of communication. I worry that your claim to confidentiality might be misconstrued by potential participants. I also worry about the validity of your study if you in fact collect all your data from e-mail. Folks with access to e-mail, and folks willing to share this kind of sensitive, autobiographical information on e-mail, are a highly select group of folks from among all those who have experienced sexual trauma. I should think your study would be much more effective and much more valid if you interviewed subjects personally. It might seem on face value less ideal because it would have to be done locally, but it will yield far more worthwhile information, since you will have to confront all the sensitive issues surrounding your subject by dealing personally with your informants. Is there a committee on the use of human subjects in research at your university? If so, you might want to run this research plan by them and get their input into the ethics of your proposed approach to data collection. -Barbara Lantz (anthropologist at large) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Barbara Lantz * * Assistant Dean for International Programs * * 55 Goldwin Smith Hall * * Cornell University * * Ithaca, N.Y. 14853-3201 * * tel. (607)255-5004 fax. (607)255-1454 * * e-mail to: bl13@cornell.edu * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 09:45:09 LCL Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ruth Ginzberg Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University Subject: Humble Suggestion... This is a humble suggestion, not a criticism. I have belonged to a number of e-lists for a number of years, and I believe that in my opinion various "Emergency Alerts" -- usually involving alleged computer viruses, taxes, or plots -- are becoming much more numerous than they have been previously ... AND, it is turning out that the vast majority of them are hoaxes, jokes, misinformation or at very least unverifiable. Typically they are very alarming and urgent in tone, and contain a plea to "distribute as widely as posslble" which does indeed happen, at the rate of an exponential explosion. Alas, once the things are posted, they proliferate -- often much more prolifically than the retractions, "clarifications" or apologies which follow, days, weeks, or months later. I would like to suggest that such "Emergency Alerts" NOT be posted to Wmst-l unless the person who is posting it is prepared to take personal responsibility for the veracity of its content. (I.e., VERIFY carefully before passing it along -- if passing it on is something you want to do.) Otherwise these various alerts are just hi-tech rumors with very little credibility. We become immune to them, develop the habit of ignoring & deleting them. This could be a bad thing if anything TRUE ever needs to be disseminated quickly. Just a suggestion... ----------- Ruth Ginzberg (rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu) ------------ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 12:23:53 -0600 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Joanne C. Vogel" Organization: SAINT LOUIS UNIVERSITY St. Louis, MO Subject: Female "monsters" on Sesame St. >...this supposedly has been brought to the attention to Sesame >St. and they were to do a mass media marketing campaign for a >new muppet this year that is female. her name is "zowie" i >think ... ask a reliable 4 year old if she's seen her yet - last >time i checked she hadn't... maybe someone living with a four >year old has more info on zowie. Yes, Sesame Street did introduce Zowie or Zoey this year and she has been featured regularly. I saw several articles months ago about the disparate number of female muppet monsters compared to male monsters, but I can't remember where I read them or in what publications. There is also a little monster Natasha and Oscar has a sister called Grungetta. *************************************************************** Joanne C. Vogel (314) 658-2758 Archives/Special Collections Fax: (314) 658-3966 St. Louis University Law Library 3700 Lindell Blvd. Bitnet: VOGELJC@SLUVCA St. Louis, MO 63108 Internet: vogeljc@sluvca.slu.edu *************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 13:27:35 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Dee Quaranto Subject: social justice-focused orientation for entering students I am trying to put together an Orientation 1 course which will serve to introduce students to social justice issues in higher education in addition to providing more "traditional" orientation information specific to our campus. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has had experience with a similar course, as well as any and all information on appropriate resources. Please respond privately. Thanks in advance for your time and energy. Dee Quaranto West Virginia University President's Office for Social Justice P.O. Box 6202 Morgantown, WV 26506-6202 (304) 293-7503@H:\MAIL\5A010015\LIST55BD.PML@H:\MAIL\5A010015\LIST55BD.PML ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 13:33:30 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: PopTart Subject: Susan Douglas address?/_Where the Girls Are_ Hi everybody. Listen, I'm wondering if anyone knows if Susan Douglas (Hampshire College, AmStudies/media) is reachable via e-mail. I'm presently at work on a dissertation similar to her new book, _Where the Girls Are: Growing Up Female With the Mass Media_, and would love to get in touch with her. In case anyone's interested, my topic/title is: "Girls Can Do Anything!: Women Coming of Age in/and American Popular Culture, 1973-1993." I'm always willing to network ;) Thanks a bunch. Reply privately to ckile@andy.bgsu.edu Crystal Kile American Culture Studies/Popular Culture Studies Bowling Green State University Ohio (not KY) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= PopTart is ckile@andy.bgsu.edu "It's perfectly obvious what Scooby snacks were: hash brownies." -- Emily Way on alt.society.generation-x ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 16:24:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Shauna Lee Manning Subject: lesbian studies curriculum development Dear Women, I am writing to you on behalf of the Women's Studies Program at the University of Massachusetts Boston. Recently, the Lesbian Studies Committee was awarded one of three 1994 summer grants for Improving the Quality of Undergraduate Education. The grant is for generating materials and resources to be used in the creation of the first Lesbian Studies Course at the university. We are excited about creating the course at UMB and want to use this as an opportunity to find out more about Lesbian Studies courses being offered around the country. We are interested in syllabi, bibliographies, course requirements, and also your approaches to pedagogy and methods of evaluation. If you have materials, and/or have any interest in being a resource, you can be in touch with me through the Women's Studies office (email at shauna@umbsky.cc.umb.edu or phone 617-287-6780). Thank you. Jennifer Abod, Lesbian Studies Curriculum Coordinator ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 13:36:59 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Bryan Strong: Psychology / UC-Santa Cruz" Subject: Documentary on TV/Film families There will be a documentary on TV on depictions of American families on television and in the movies from 1930s to the present, directed by Linda Schaffer. It will be on Tuesday evening (6-7 and 9-10 PST) on American Movie Classics channel. Our local TV critic gave it a featured and glowing review. Bryan Strong Psychology Board of Studies University of California-Santa Cruz bartleby@cats.UCSC.EDU / bartleby@cats.UCSC.BITNET ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 18:35:41 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Kimberly A. Nolan" Subject: Re: Female "monsters" on Sesame St. Hi! I'm new to the list, and I had to respond to the Seseme Street post about Zoey. I cut out a long feature article from the Miami Herald and gave it to the director of WOmen's Studies at UM, because I was disturbed by the "feminine" image the puppet designer wanted to create. She said in an interview that Zoey would look "little girlie" with fancy barettes, long eyelashes, and bracelets. I believe Zoey was supposed to be good at math (an attempt to break a sterotype and encourage 4 year old female mathematicians); howver, I still felt like the designers at SS were setting a bad precedent with this "feminine" puppet. And I think these early images are important issues to bring up in the classroom. Kimberly NOlan knolan@umiami.ir.miami.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 18:48:52 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Connie Koppelman Subject: women's studies vs. gender studies State University of New York at Stony Brook Stony Brook, NY 11794-3456 Constance E Koppelman Womens Studies 516 632-9176 20-Jun-1994 06:33pm EDT FROM: CKOPPELMAN TO: Remote Addressee ( _wmst-l@umdd.umd.edu ) Subject: women's studies vs. gender studies I realize this is a very belated response to a question which was discussed some time ago, however, I'm playing catch up after many weeks of frustration with computer problems originating at this end. Sally Sternglanz our assistant director asked me to forward the following information re women's studies vs. gender studies...effect on enrollment. I track enrollments for the courses which count for our women's studies minor. Most wns classes have a male enrollment of 10-20% Our sociology program gives a course on sociology of gender. The male enrollment in this course is also 10-20% Last year they gave a course entitled the sociology of men, taught by a male. Male enrollment was 10% In shor, attracting men is no reason to change the name of your program in my experience (at a large state U). I do think it is important that men take women's studies courses--if anyone has discovered an effective approach short of a direct requirement I'd love to know what it is. At this point I almost don't care why they don't--lack of interest in women, sure they know it all, fear of being thought to be gay, avoidance of what is thought to be touchy-feely stuff--I'd just like to know one thing that works. Sally Sternglanz, Assoc.Dir., WNS, SUNY at Stony Brook. Sarah.Sternglanz@sunysb.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 18:03:44 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Lyn Ellen Burkett Subject: Sessame Street characters As an avid Sessame Street watcher, I couldn't resist contributing to this thread. I agree with Kimberly that the Zoe character is overly "girlie." Around the same time Zoe was added, though, another puppet character called Prarie Dawn was also added to the puppet cast. Prarie Dawn is a "person" puppet as opposed to a "monster" puppet, and the few times I've seen her, she seems to be a strong, no-nonsense practical type of character. In contrast to the puppet characters, the human characters on Sessame Street seem to represent a good healthy variety of women characters. My instinct tells me that on other children's shows, the women who are "fantasy" or "pretend" charaters are more often portrayed in a more non-traditional manner, while "real human" women are portrayed in a more limited manner (ie, "it's OK to be a strong woman if you're a cartoon character or a puppet, but real women aren't like that"). The puppet characters on Sessame Street all seem to represent one specific aspect of a child's character, so I don't girls and women; all the more reason why the Sessame Street people need to add *many* more female muppets before little girls will be able to see themselves in the non-human characters. Another point to consider is the number of seemingly genderless puppet characters, and why they're perceived as male most of the time (Big Bird, Snuffleupagus, etc.) There is a younger female snuffleupagus; her gender is indicated by long eyelashes and a pink hair bow. Yuck. I'm using a new editing program, so I apologize in advance for technical problems with this message. Lyn Ellen Burkett music theory Indiana University lburkett@ucs.indiana.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 19:47:57 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Connie Koppelman Subject: hair State University of New York at Stony Brook Stony Brook, NY 11794-3456 Constance E Koppelman Womens Studies 516 632-9176 20-Jun-1994 06:57pm EDT FROM: CKOPPELMAN TO: Remote Addressee ( _wmst-l@umdd.umd.edu ) Subject: hair Some of you may remember that last year at the NWSA conference I gave a talk on The Politics of Hair. Thanks to many of you on the network I was able to gather lots of one liners which referred to women's head hair. Unfortunately, I was told there would not be a slide projector in the room where I gave the talk so I brought just a few enlarged pictures to illustrate points. Subsequently it occurred to me that the idea of women's hair would make a great topic for an art exhibit. The Smithtown Township Arts Council (Long Island, New York), has a beautiful space in Mills Pond House (vintage 1830) where we were able to show the work of 89 (selected from many more) artists who responded to our requests for works of art related to the topic HAIR: THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT. In addition, each artist was asked to make an artist's statement about their work. The newspapers picked up on the novelty of the subject, and the coverage was fantastic. Everything from the local papers, the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal, Japanese and Chinese television etc. Because of all this interest, as curator of the exhibit it seemed a shame to have it end when the show came down. To make a long story short, I'm now in the process of writing a book incorporating some of the work of the artists, and expanding on a small brochure I wrote that was available for the hundreds of people who came to experience what turned out to be a very educational exhibit. I've since gathered lots of slides for an expanded version of my original NWSA talk which I've given several times. I've also become the local authority on hair...I was asked by NEWSDAY (L.I.N.Y.) to write an article on Long Island Big Hair which appeared Sunday May 29 in the Currents Section of Newsday. One of the reasons I am writing this note to the Network is to tell you that the brochure is available by surface mail. The second reason is to again ask your help in locating literary references to women's hair as a source of power or powerlessness: sexual, religious, political...something more than "hair was her crosning glory" together with title and page reference would be most welome. Thanks for the help. Literary sources are not my specialty, I can use whatever help you can give. CKOPPELMAN@sunysb.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 20:52:50 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Ken Winker Subject: Re: Humble Suggestion... In-Reply-To: <199406201356.JAA01265@holmes.umd.edu>; from "Ruth Ginzberg" at Jun 20, 94 9:45 am Hi: I agree with Ruth. I really don;t have the time to waste in seperating out fact from fiction on the net...although much of what I am interested in is open to differences of opinion, or at least different interpretations. That isn't what Ruth is talking about. And, of course, none of us want to do much traveling on the misinformation superhighway!! I thinks Ruth's idea is great...but is it workable? Ken Winker Kw214@freenet.scri.fsu.edu -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 20:06:42 -0400 Reply-To: Stacey Michele Horstmann Sender: Women's Studies List From: Stacey Michele Horstmann Subject: fairy tales list The following is the cumulative list of recommendations of analyses of fairy tales. Many of you also recommended new fairy tales, retellings of old fairy tales, and other writings told from a more "feminist" perspective. I have included them in the list as well. Also accept my apologies for not defining what I meant by feminist ... that was done intentionally as that is a discussion in and of itself and I just wanted each of you to give me suggestions based on your own understanding of that term. Your suggestions have been very rich. Compiling this list has been quite a task. And in all honesty this is not even my own project buy a favor for two friends who do not have access to this list. However, I have put it on my list of "courses I want to teach someday." I hope you have all enjoyed the topic. I do want to make a couple things clear however ... First, I do understand that Disney did not invent fairy tales and that they have a rich and varied history. Second, I also understand that women made contributions to history beyond fairy tales. I am a historian in training. It is strange how innocent comments can be misconstrued over the net. I hope you enjoy the list. Stacey Here's the list!!! Atwood, Margaret. _The Robber Bride_ New York: Nan A. Talese/Doubleday, 19__. [reworked fairy tale] Auerbach, Nina. _Forbidden Journeys: Fairy Tales and Fantasies by Victorian Women Writers_ Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1992. [analysis/ fairy tales] Bang, Molly. _Picture This: Perception and Composition_ Boston: Little, Brown, 1991. Barchers, Suzanne I. _Wise Women: Folk and Fairy Tales from Around the World_ Englewood, Co.: Libraries Unlimited, 1990. Bettleheim, Bruno. _The Uses of Enchantment: The Meaning and Importance of Fairy Tales_ New York: Vintage Books, 1977. [suggested as a couterpoint to feminist interpretations] Bilbija, Ksenija. "`The Youngest Doll' by Rosarro Ferre: On Women, Dolls, Golems and Cybergs." _Callaloo_ (Summer 1994). [analysis] Bradshaw, Gillian. _In Winter's Shadow_ New York: New American Library, 1982. [stories told by women] Bradley, Marion Zimmer. _The Mists of Avalon_ New York: Knopf, 1982. [stories told by women] Carter, Angela. _The Bloody Chamber_ New York: Harper and Row, 1979. [rewritten fairy tales] Carter, Angela. _The Old Wives Fairy Tale Book_ New York: Pantheon Books, 1990. Carter, Angela. _Saints and Strangers_ New York: Viking Press, 1986. Carter, Angela. _Strange Things Some Tiems Still Happen: Fairy Tales from Around the World_ Boston: Faber & Faber, 1993. Carter, Angela. _Wayward Girls and Wicked Women: An Anthology of Subversive Stories_ [sorry --- don't have the complete cite] Claffey, Anne; Kavanaugh, Linda; Russell, Sue, eds. _Rapunzel's Revenge: Fairytales for Feminists_ Dublin: Attic Press, 1985. Cox, Marian R. _Cinderella: Three Hundred and forty-five Variants of Cinderella, Catskin, and Cap o'rushing_ London: Published for the Folklore Society by D. Nutt, 1893. [analysis] Datlow, Ellen and Windling, Terri, eds., _Snow White, Blood Red_ New York: Wm. Morris and Company, 1993. Dundes, Alan _Cinderella: A Folklore Casebook_ New York: Garland Publishers, 1982 Dworkin, Andrea. _Woman Hating_ New York: Dutton, 1974 [analysis] Father Gander. _Father Gander's Nursery Rhymes for the Nineteen-nineties: or, the Alternative Mother Goose_ Cambridge: Oleander, 1990. Ferre, Rosario. _The Youngest Doll_ lincoln, Ne: University of Nebraska Press, 1991. [analysis] Gerstein, Mordecai. _Story of May_ New York: Harper Collins, 1993. Godwin, Parke _Beloved Exile_ New York: Bantam Books, 1984. [fall of Camelot as told by Queen Guienevere] Gordon, Susan. "Powers of the Handless Maiden," in Radner, Joan. _Feminist Messages: Coding in Women's Folk Culture_ Urbana, Il: University of Illinois Press, 1993. [analysis] Grahn, Judy. _The Work of a Common Woman: The Collected Poetry of Judy Grahn, 1964-1977_ New York: St. Martin's Press, 1980 (See specifically the poem "detroit") [writing by women] Jackson, Ellen B. _Cinder Edna_ New York: Lothrop, Lee and Shepard, 1994. Jordan, Elaine [on Angela Carter] Karr, Phyllis Ann _The Idylls of the Queen_ New York: Ace Books, 1982. [murder at Camelot as told by Sir Kay in which women characters have their say] Kollenschlag, Madonna. _Kiss Sleeping Beauty Goodbye: Breaking the Spell of Feminine Myths and Models_ San Francisco: Harper and Row, 1988. [analysis] Lieberman, Marcia R. "Some Day My Prince Will Come: Female Acculturatin Through the Fairy Tale," _College English_ [don't know the year]: 383-395. Manning-Sanders, Ruth. _The Book of Kings and Queens_ London: Methuen, 1977. [newly told fairy tales ... also has written other books with similar titles] McKinley, Robin. _Beauty: A Retelling of Beauty and the Beast_ New York: Harper and Row, 1978. [retelling of fairy tale] McKinley, Robin _Deerskin_ New York: Ace Books, 1993. [retelling] McLeon, Susan H. and Soven, Margot _Writing Across the Curriculum: A Guide to Developing Programs_ Newberry Park, Ca: [don't know publisher], 1988. Morressy, John. _A Voice for Princess_ New York: Ace Fantasy Books, 1986. Morressy, John. _The Questing of Kedrigen_ New York: Ace Books, 1987. Muller, Robin. _Tatterhood_ Richmond Hill, Ont: North Winds Press, 1984. [for children] Munsch, Robert. _The Paperbag Princess_ [for children] Namjoshi, Sunito. _Feminist Fables_ London: Sheba Feminist Publishers, 1981. Poniatowska, Elena. "A Little Fairy Tale" [short story] Rooth, Anna Brigitta. _The Cinderella Cycle_ (Folklore Fellow Communications) Lund: 1951. Ross, T. _Lon Po Po_ [retelling] Salmonson, Jessica Amanda, ed. _Amazons II_ [see "the Little Robber Girl"] Sexton, Anne _Transformations_ Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1971. Stone, Kay. "Burning Brightly: New Light From an Old Tale," from Radner, Joan. _Feminist Messages: Coding in Women's Folk Culture_ Urbana, Il: University of Illinois Press, 1993. Stone, Kay F. "Misuse of Enchantment," in Jordan, Rosan and Kalcik, Susan, eds., _Women's Folklor/Women's Culture_ Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 1985. [analysis] Stone, Kay F. "Feminist Approaches to the Interpretations of the Fairy Tales," in Bottigheimer, Ruth B. _Fairy Tales and Society: Illusion, Allusion, and Paradigm_ Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 1986. [analysis] Stone, Kay F. "New Light from an Old Tale," in Radner, Joa, ed., _Feminist Messages: Coding in Women's Folk Culture_ Urbana, Il: University of Illinois Press, 1993. Stone, Kay F., "Things Walt Disney Never Told Us," in Farrer, Claire, _Women and Folklore_ Austin: University of Texas Press, 1975. Stone, Kay F. "Three Transformations of Snow White," in McGlatherty, J., ed., _The Brothers Grimm and the Folktale_ Urbana, Il: University of Illinois Press, 1988. Tatar, Maria. _Off With Their Heads: Fairy Tales and the Culture of Childhood_ Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1992. [analysis] Tatar, Maria. _The Hard Facts of the Grimms' Fairy Tales_ Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1987. Van Franz, Marie. _The Feminine Element in Fairy Tales_ [do not have the complete cite] Walker, Barbara G. _The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets_ New York: Harper and Row, 1985. Warner, Marina. _Cinema and the Realms of Enchantment: Lectures, Sermons and Essays_ London: British Film Institute, 1993. [analysis] Willard, Barbara and Moser, Barry. [On Beauty and the Beast] Yolen, Jane _Sleeping Ugly_ New York: Coward, McCann and Geoghegan, 1981. [retelling] Young, Ed. _Lon Po Po: A Red-Riding Hood Story from China_ New York: Scholastic Inc. ,1989. Zipes, Jack. _Breaking the Magic Spell: Radical Theories of Folk and Fairy Tales_ Austin: University of Texas Press, 1979. [analysis] Zipes, Jack. _Don't Bet on the Prince: Contemporary Feminist Fairy Tales in North America and England_ New York: Methuen/Routledge, 1986. [analysis and new fairy tales] Zipes, Jack. _The Trials and Tribulations of Little Red Riding Hood: Versions of the Tale in Sociocultural Context_ South Hackey, Ma: Bergin and Garvey Publishers, 1983. [analysis] Zipes, Jack. _Fairy Tales and the Art of Subversion: The Classical Genre for Children and the Process of Civilization_ New York: Methuen/Routledge, 1987. [analysis] That's all folks! Thanks again for your contributions. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 22:27:01 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Rosemary Feal Subject: WST courses abroad? A student is looking to take courses that could count as WST during summer 95, in England, France, or another European country. Plese send me suggestions of programs that offer courses in WST abroad. Thank you. Rosemary G. Feal rsfl@troi.cc.rochester.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 04:24:50 -0500 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Michael Current Subject: Re: Susan Douglas address?/_Where the Girls Are_ In-Reply-To: <199406201742.NAA05625@holmes.umd.edu> from "PopTart" at Jun 20, 94 01:33:30 pm I don't have Susan's address. I am a Hampshire alumni and remember her well. I was interested in learning of her new book. Hampshire is slowly going more on-line these days. You might try sending mail to postmaster@hampshire.hamp.edu and see what they can tell you. Michael -- ---------------------------Michael J. Current---------------------------- mcurrent@picard.infonet.net -or- @ins.infonet.net -or- @nyx.cs.du.edu Specializing in Philosophy, Queer Studies, Depression, & Unemployment :) 737 - 18th Street, #9 * Des Moines, IA * 50314-1031 *** (515) 283-2142 "AN IMAGE OF THOUGHT CALLED PHILOSOPHY HAS BEEN FORMED HISTORICALLY AND IT EFFECTIVELY STOPS PEOPLE FROM THINKING." - GILLES DELEUZE -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 07:17:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: 1 new journal; 1 CFP The following two announcements may be of interest to WMST-L readers: 1) New Journal: CommOddities 2) Call for Book Chapters: Coding the Light: Gender, Generation, and Technologies of Metamorphoses For more information, please contact the people named in the announcements, not WMST-L or me. Joan Korenman (korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu) +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ 1) New Journal Announcement The inaugural issue of CommOddities, A Journal of Communication & Culture, is now available. The first issue of the journal, published by the Center for the Study of Communication, consists of working papers by faculty and graduate students in the Department of Communication, University of Massachusetts-Amherst. The volume addresses three main themes: (1) Gendered Practices/Gendered Interactions, (2) Power and Representation, and (3) Meaning and Ideology. Papers include: - "Developing the Domestic Sphere in Kodak Advertising," by Amy Loomis; - "Beyond Uncertainty Reduction Theory: Exploring Perceptions of 'Difference' in Initial Interactions," by Leda M. Cooks; - "The Medicalization of Femininity," by Heather Karjane; - "The Game of the Name: Cultural Codes of Naming Upon Marriage," by Donal Carbaugh; - "Racism, Sexism, and Colonialism: Hollywood Constructs the Puertorriquena," by Jocelyn A. Geliga Varga; - "Cutter's Way and the Problem of Distributional Censorship," by Martin F. Norden; - "The Meaning of Things: Audiences, Ambiguity and Power," by Justin Lewis; and - "Paradox Lost and Found: Cultural Theory and the Dimensions of Ideology," by David Easter. Copies are available for $12, to cover costs of printing and postage. Send check, payable to "Communication Service Trust Fund," to: The Center for the Study of Communication Department of Communication Machmer Hall University of Massachusetts Amherst, MA 01003 Submitted by: Michael Morgan +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ 2) Call for Book Chapters BOOK: Coding the Light: Gender, Generation, and Technologies of Metamorphoses, to be edited by Lorri Neilsen Focus: The effects of telecommunications on the ways we learn and on the semiotics of discourse in schools and curricula (see rationale below). This edited collection aims to reveal the dilemmas and opportunities which are opened when the world of telecommunications challenges and extends the curriculum. Specifically, this collection explores struggles around authority arising out of telecommunications experiences, particularly issues around gender and sexuality, knowledge and power, as well as cross-generational tensions. Note: This is an abbreviated version of a longer announcement, the full text of which is available in Comserve's resource library. Send this message to Comserve to retrieve it: Send GENTECH CALL4PAP Comserve's address is COMSERVE@VM.ITS.RPI.EDU (Internet) or COMSERVE@RPITSVM (Bitnet). Lorri Neilsen Mount Saint Vincent University 166 Bedford Highway Halifax, N. S. B3M 2J6 (902) 457-6156 EMAIL: LNEILSEN@msvu1.msvu.ca +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 08:33:00 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Joan Korenman Subject: women/gender/nationalism bibliography Thanks to WMST-L subscriber Erisa Ojimba, I have just added to the WMST-L filelist a comparative women/gender/nationalism bibliography from the Institute of Social Studies in The Hague. The bibliography appeared originally (?) on the women's history list, H-WOMEN. Constrained as usual by UMDD's filename limitations, I have called the file NATNLISM WOMENBIB . To retrieve it, send the message GET NATNLISM WOMENBIB to LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU (Internet) or LISTSERV@UMDD (Bitnet). To get a list of all the files available, add a second line that says INDEX WMST-L . Be sure to send these messages to LISTSERV, not to WMST-L. Do not hit reply! Many thanks to Erisa Ojimba for calling this bibliography to my attention. Joan Korenman Internet: korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu Bitnet: korenman@umbc ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 09:04:45 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Kathleen Marszycki." Subject: Re: hair Connie-- Being a native Long Islander (East Islip; husband graduate of SUNY Stony Brook) transplanted to Connecticut, I feel obligated to help a fellow Long Islander! I recall that Margaret Atwood's protagonist in LADY ORACLE has an amazing head of red hair which seems to give her "powers" (imaginative, sexual, etc.) and upon her "fake death" she cuts it all off and dyes it a drab brown. If I think of anything else, I'll send it along. Kelly > State University of New York at Stony Brook > Stony Brook, NY 11794-3456 > > Constance E Koppelman > Womens Studies > 516 632-9176 > 20-Jun-1994 06:57pm EDT >FROM: CKOPPELMAN >TO: Remote Addressee ( _wmst-l@umdd.umd.edu ) > >Subject: hair > >Some of you may remember that last year at the NWSA conference I gave a talk on >The Politics of Hair. Thanks to many of you on the network I was able to gather >lots of one liners which referred to women's head hair. Unfortunately, I was >told there would not be a slide projector in the room where I gave the talk so I >brought just a few enlarged pictures to illustrate points. Subsequently it > > > occurred to me that the idea of women's hair would make a >great topic for an art exhibit. The Smithtown Township Arts Council (Long >Island, New York), has a beautiful space in Mills Pond House (vintage 1830) >where we were able to show the work of 89 (selected from many more) artists who >responded to our requests for works of art related to the topic HAIR: THE LONG >AND SHORT OF IT. In addition, each artist was asked to make an artist's >statement about their work. The newspapers picked up on the novelty of the >subject, and the coverage was fantastic. Everything from the local papers, the >New York Times and the Wall Street Journal, Japanese and Chinese television etc. >Because of all this interest, as curator of the exhibit it seemed a shame to >have it end when the show came down. To make a long story short, I'm now in the >process of writing a book incorporating some of the work of the artists, and >expanding on a small brochure I wrote that was available for the hundreds of >people who came to experience what turned out to be a very educational exhibit. >I've since gathered lots of slides for an expanded version of my original NWSA >talk which I've given several times. I've also become the local authority on >hair...I was asked by NEWSDAY (L.I.N.Y.) to write an article on Long Island Big >Hair which appeared Sunday May 29 in the Currents Section of Newsday. > >One of the reasons I am writing this note to the Network is to tell you that the >brochure is available by surface mail. The second reason is to again ask your >help in locating literary references to women's hair as a source of power or >powerlessness: sexual, religious, political...something more than "hair was her >crosning glory" together with title and page reference would be most welome. > > >Thanks for the help. Literary sources are not my specialty, I can use whatever >help you can give. >CKOPPELMAN@sunysb.edu kathleen.marszycki@mail.trincoll.edu "If you decide to enter the page . . ." (Margaret Atwood) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 10:43:05 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Deborah B Stevens Subject: Re: hair In-Reply-To: <199406211305.JAA00875@holmes.umd.edu> from "Kathleen Marszycki." at Jun 21, 94 09:04:45 am Kathleen... You might want to look at the practice of Orthodox Jewish women shaving their hair upon marriage because hair is considered sexual/sensual, thus providing temptation to men! ...Deborah Blair Stevens stevensd@dolphin.upenn.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 10:46:49 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Roberta C. Martin" Subject: Re: hair In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 21 Jun 1994 10:43:05 -0400 from Re: Kathleen's mention of the hair of Jewish Women. Check out a poem by Ruth Whitman entitled "Cutting the Jewish Bride's Hair," included in the 5th edition of Mary Anne Furguson's *Images of Women in Literature.* Also you might look at Milton's description of Eve's hair in Paradise Lost, Bk 4. Milton had something of a hair fetish, but the description of Eve is germaine to the politics of gender. Robin Martin. Roberta C Martin, assistant professor East Carolina University English GCB 2112 Greenville, NC 27858 (919) 757-6721 Bitnet: ENMARTIN@ECUVM1 Internet: ENMARTIN@ECUVM.CIS.ECU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 13:07:40 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Julie Tharp Subject: Re: hair In-Reply-To: your message of Mon Jun 20 19:47:57 -0400 1994 Look at Lisa Jones' book . Alice Walker has an essay called "Oppressed Hair Puts a Ceiling on the Brain" in her collection of essays . Hair plays a significant role in Gloria Naylor's . Julie Tharp jtharp@uwcmail.uwc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 13:13:00 EST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: LAURA KRAMER Subject: send HAIR privately, please Please send your responses to the latest hair requests privately. The deluge from the last hair episode was enormous! I am sure that the private responses can be put together and posted to the list. thanks. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 14:00:26 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Kathleen Marszycki." Subject: Correction Apparently, responses to Constance Koppelman's query on "hair" are coming in addressed to me. Somehow my signature sign-off became separated from my reply to Connie and ended up appended to the end of the original message, thus looking as if the query came from me. I apologize for this confusion, especially to Ms. Koppelman. Kelly kathleen.marszycki@mail.trincoll.edu "If you decide to enter the page . . ." (Margaret Atwood) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 15:05:19 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Nancy Seale Osborne Subject: Re: Humble Suggestion... In-Reply-To: <199406201356.JAA01265@holmes.umd.edu> Ruth, I agree with you. May I also make another suggestion, which perhaps has been made before (Joan, you would be able to squelch this quickly if it is worthless)? When people are asking for help, could they put the "subject" in the form of a question? Nancy Nancy Seale Osborne Librarian Coordinator of Special Collections/Library Instruction Penfield Library SUNY College at Oswego Oswego, New York 13126 osborne@oswego.oswego.edu FAX (315) 341-3194 On Mon, 20 Jun 1994, Ruth Ginzberg wrote: > This is a humble suggestion, not a criticism. > > I have belonged to a number of e-lists for a number of years, and I > believe that in my opinion various "Emergency Alerts" -- usually > involving alleged computer viruses, taxes, or plots -- are becoming > much more numerous than they have been previously ... AND, it is > turning out that the vast majority of them are hoaxes, jokes, > misinformation or at very least unverifiable. Typically they are very > alarming and urgent in tone, and contain a plea to "distribute as > widely as posslble" which does indeed happen, at the rate of an > exponential explosion. Alas, once the things are posted, they > proliferate -- often much more prolifically than the retractions, > "clarifications" or apologies which follow, days, weeks, or months > later. > > I would like to suggest that such "Emergency Alerts" NOT be posted to > Wmst-l unless the person who is posting it is prepared to take > personal responsibility for the veracity of its content. (I.e., > VERIFY carefully before passing it along -- if passing it on is > something you want to do.) Otherwise these various alerts are just > hi-tech rumors with very little credibility. We become immune to > them, develop the habit of ignoring & deleting them. This could be a > bad thing if anything TRUE ever needs to be disseminated quickly. > > Just a suggestion... > ----------- Ruth Ginzberg (rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu) ------------ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 17:04:58 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List Comments: Converted from OfficeVision to RFC822 by PUMP V2.2X From: "Linda Lopez McAlister " Subject: Inquiry from Hungary A friend on the TESL-L forwarded this on to me and I thought there might be folks on WMST-L who'd like a contact in Hungary and who might want to respond to her. Linda ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From: "Sura'nyi Agnes" >Subject: woman studies >To: Multiple recipients of list TESL-L > >Dear Netters, >I would be very pleased to hear from anyone teaching/having studied >Woman Studies or Feminist/Female Literature. I am interested in >particular whether the separate existence of this topic can be >justified, if yes how. I would like to have your views on it as >soon as poss. It would be of interest to see a curriculum. >Thanks, >Agnes Suranyi >University of Pecs >Dept. of English >Hungary > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 15:36:12 CDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Kristin Gerhard Subject: Position announcement Curator, Archives of Women in Science and Engineering, Iowa State University. Assistant Professor, or above dependent upon qualifications. The Iowa State University Special Collections Department seeks a curator for the Archives of Women in Science and Engineering, a subject-based manuscript collection initiated in 1993 to collect and preserve the papers of American women in science and engineering and the records of women's organizations, both regional and national, in these areas. The curator will be responsible for soliciting, arranging, and describing collections; for supervising student assistants in processing these collections; and for providing reference service to the collections. Reports to the Head of the Department of Special Collections. Contributes to departmental planning, budgeting, and policy and procedure development. Assists in promoting the resources of the department through exhibitions and presentations. Provides support as necessary in other areas of the department, including some reference service at the department's reference desk. In addition to the Archives of Women in Science and Engineering, the Special Collections Department includes the University Archives, the American Archives of the Factual Film, and four other subject-based archives collecting in the areas of agriculture and rural life, veterinary medicine, statistics, and the evolution/creation science debate. QUALIFICATIONS: Required: Position requires the completion of an ALA-accredited Master's degree with coursework in manuscripts curacy, archives administration, or appropriate equivalencies. Excellent organizational, oral and written communication, and interpersonal skills. Preferred: Background in one of the sciences or engineering, in the history of science or technology, or in women's studies. Familiarity with MARC AMC format and microcomputer applications. One or more years of manuscripts or archival experience in an academic or research setting; supervisory experience. SALARY AND BENEFITS: $28,000 minimum; final salary dependent upon qualifications; TIAA/CREF, medical benefits. Serving over 25,000 students, the Library provides electronic resources and access tools which complement nationally recognized print collections. Ames supports quality schools and outstanding cultural attractions and was recently recognized as one of the top ten areas of its size in the country. APPLICATION DEADLINE: Review of applications will begin August 22, 1994 and will continue until the position is filled. To apply: Submit letter, resume and the names, addresses and telephone numbers of three references to: Chair, Curator, Archives of Women in Science and Engineering, 302 Parks Library, Iowa State University, Ames, IA 50011-2140. Iowa State University is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer. Members of protected classes are encouraged to apply. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 17:57:14 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Connie Koppelman Subject: advice about grad schools State University of New York at Stony Brook Stony Brook, NY 11794-3456 Constance E Koppelman Womens Studies 516 632-9176 21-Jun-1994 05:42pm EDT FROM: CKOPPELMAN TO: Remote Addressee ( _wmst-l@umdd.umd.edu ) Subject: advice about grad schools A women who just graduated from Brown with an emphasis on Victorian Studies asked me to post this message. She is looking to explore graduate programs with an interdisciplinary approach to British History. She is especially interested in Women's Literature, illustrations, visual imagery and the history of education. Some of the colleges and universities she is looking at are: Oxford, Cambridge, University of London, Northwestern, John Hopkins, Rutgers, Sarah Lawrence (only has an MA), Yale, Brandeis, Harvard, Indiana, Berkeley Stanford. Susan Ferber would particularly like to find a contact person (British History?) at some of these places, and would welcome any comments you might offer about the type of program she is looking for and the History Dept. I will forward all messages to her. Thanks CKoppelman@sunysb.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 18:24:11 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: "Nothin Lasts Forever, Even Cold November Rain" Organization: from SUNY College at Buffalo, NY 14222 Subject: ru486 I feel like a bad feminist for knowing as little about ru486 as I do. Could anyone tell me what is currently happening with it and the soonest they think it might be available over here?? Also, since everything is able to be bought in this country on the blackmarket does anyone know how women can obtain it in the US illegally? Thanx in advance, Diane leahy05@snybufva ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 18:12:09 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Laurie Perkins I am using feminist utopias in an introduction to women's studies course. I have a list of several utopias but they are all written by women from a white British or U.S. background. I would like to use some utopias written by women of color and/or women from other cultures. So, this is a request for suggestions. Does anyone know of utopias written by women who are not white or at least not from England or the U.S.? Or perhaps someone could suggest a source for such books. Thanks in advance, Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 19:11:17 CST Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Laurie Perkins Subject: Feminist Utopias? addition This is an addition to my earlier message asking for suggestions for titles of feminist utopias by non-white, non-U.S, non-British women. I realized too late that 1. my message did not have a subject. 2. I did not give my e-mail address at the end of my message (C34870LP@WUVMD). I should also add that you should respond privately unless you think this is a topic of wide interest. Thanks again, Laurie C34870LP@WUVMD ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 22:15:25 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: pat ulbrich Subject: grad programs in psych/wsmen I am posting this for a friend who is not a member ofthis list. She will be graduating with a degree in psych and women's studies. She is interested in learning about schools where she could pursue graduate work in counseling/ clinical psych ei with an emphasis on feminist psychology and/or a minor in WS. She lives in Oregon and would like to stay in the Pacific Northwest, but is interested in learning about programs in other regions as well. Any information will be appreciated. Please respond to me privately. Thanks inn advance. R1PMU@akronvm ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 21:45:55 -0400 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Irene Stuber Subject: Important enought to break a rule about submissions? Advisory from NOW 06-21-94 NOW has been urging its members to campaign their congressional delegations and is calling on everyone who cares about the safety and health of their mothers, daughters, sisters, themselves, to write Senators and Congressional Representatives urging them to vote FOR a fully funded Violence Against Women Act that is part of the Crime Bill. This Violence Against Women ACT has been sitting in the conference committee for months - and in the meantime, women die. "Every 15 seconds a woman is battered by her husband or boyfriend --- 2,000 to 4,000 women are killed by a husband or partner each year," says NOW President Patricia Ireland. "While the Violence Against Women Act languishes in Congressional committee, women are being abused, stalked and murdered." The Senate version of the Violence Against Women Act, whose key sponsors include Senators Joseph Biden and Barbara Boxer, provide 1.8 billion dollars for violence prevention and intervention. The Violence Against Women Act includes training programs for police departments, judges, administrative court personnel - funding for battered women's shelters -- development of a national hotline and rape crisis centers. This bill also includes a civil rights provision, which would classify violence against women as a violation of civil rights. NOW WILL PROTEST CONGRESSIONAL INACTION ON THE VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ACT IN DEMONSTRATION SCHEDULED FOR NOON, WEDNESDAY JUNE 22 AT THE CAPITOL "TRIANGLE" - URGES CONGRESS TO MAKE WOMEN'S HEALTH AND SAFETY A PRIORITY In response to the highly publicized murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and the abusive history of O.J. Simpson, NOW will hold a protest at the US Capitol to demand quick passage of the Violence Against Women Act and full funding of this crucial bill. WHO will attend: Patricia Ireland, President of NOW Congresswoman Patricia Schroeder (D-Colo) Congressman Charles Schumer (D-NY) Congresswoman Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-DC) Congresswoman Louise Slaughter (D-NY) Senator Joseph Biden (D-Del) Invited Other National Women's Organizations and the list is growing .... Submitted by Irene Stuber, irenestuber@delphi.com, Arkansas NOW president from a NOW News Release dated 6/20/94. EVERY DAY at least 4 women die at the hands of their nearest and dearest - EVERY DAY - We've got to do something about this horror. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 19:49:22 -0700 Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Marilyn Edelstein Subject: 2 queries--bell hooks and feminist biography I have two separate queries for the list, one for me and one for a colleague. I did an MLA Bib. search today for work on bell hooks (not by her but on her) and only found 3 items (1 an interview). I imagine there must be more work on here, but maybe it's in works primarily on other theorists/critics etc. rather than on her alone. If anyone is familiar with any secondary work on any aspect of bell hooks' work, I'd appreciate references. Second, a colleague is interested in knowing about any recent and/or important earlier (even "classic") work on feminist biography-- including feminist critiques of the basic premises of biography. I don't recall whether we've had a thread on this in the last year or so, but if anyone could pass on references to theoretical works on biography from a feminist perspective, I'd appreciate that too. Thanks in advance. (and sorry for at least one type above-- should be "work on her"). Marilyn Edelstein, English, Santa Clara U medelstein@scuacc.scu.edu medelstein@scu.bitnet ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 23:27:59 EDT Reply-To: Women's Studies List Sender: Women's Studies List From: Andrea Austin <3AJA1@QUCDN.QUEENSU.CA> Subject: Re: 2 queries--bell hooks and feminist biography In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 21 Jun 1994 19:49:22 -0700 from Re: articles on feminist biography I have found Carolyn Steedman's "Women's Biography and Autobiography: Forms of History, Histories of Form" in _From My Guy to Sci Fi: Genre and Women's Writing in the Postmodern World_, Helen Carr, ed. (1989) useful and intriguing, especially as an analysis of feminist biography in relation to motifs of miniaturization, interiority, and the split between public/private selves. Andrea Austin Dept. of English Queen's University 3aja1@qucdn.queensu.ca